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Calling for an investigation confederation of african football is appalled by the irresponsible and unacceptable remarks made by napoli, president , mister elio de la rented on african players in the africa cup of nations. C a f. Therefore urges union of european football associations to initiate disciplinary investigation against him. You cannot speak about African National teams like this. You have to have respect like you have for the European National teams. Sports journalist out of media expert model, gay says greed and self interest dominate the gender and modern day football is shocked. Everybody anywhere to snuggle surprise the way she found each center behave in a sense english intrigue. If you look at to, to listen to, you have to clean their competition at National Level up collab level. Meaning that all the players clearly wont be no more to complain about it. Because money go into their ed doesnt play it. Youre going to do a lot in the success of those competition. Unfortunately, a lease with anything its about its about 70. 00 and african players are teaching them a lesson for more is for the people, for most people i thats it for now here were naughty international, but your life program returns in about 25 minutes. Ah, ah ah, [000 00 00;00] with hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things are considered. Im Peter Labelle for decades. Washington adhered to what has been called the one china policy and that included taiwan for better or worse, it is kept the peace in the region. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi strip the tie. Want put this into question is the biding ministration needlessly and recklessly provoking china with cross sucking taiwan. Im joined by my guess and you mock in beijing. He is a Senior Research fellow at the center for china and globalization in hong kong. We have angel, juliano. He is a political and financial analyst at a late jackson. We have, Daniel Mcadam sees the executive director of the Ron Paul Institute for peace and prosperity. Har, gentleman cross sack rolls, in fact, that means you can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate, daniel, let me go to you 1st. I mean, i set it all in my introduction is the by the administration of bedding, the one china policy. That was, it was, its been around since 979. 00. It seemed, if its a, maybe no one was happy with it, but at no one was a particularly unhappy with a well, i mean it was it, it both sides have and i sent him an agreement. Is that a done deal . I mean, this is just typical of what were seeing as a by did ministrations Foreign Policy. It seems to be a Foreign Policy of go around the world and kick everyone in the face to see what happens. And thats exactly whats happening. There seems to be no strategic purpose for the us changing its, its tune toward china other than the fact that the democrats are facing very dire. Electro prospects here in just a couple of months. I think the moved had a lot to do with politics, but it was also a very boneheaded move, which im sure well get into later. Andy, let me go to you in beijing. I mean, if i were sitting in beijing, id say what is going on here . What prompted this, a parent change in policy, and what was the visit supposed to achieve . I mean, they, you know, ive always said, you know, a trip. Okay, what do you want to do . What enact what kind of policy that is left completely empty . We have no idea other than it was just a stunt, and you dont do stuff like that and a very sensitive area of the world. So i mean from your perspective there in beijing, how do you see things . Well peter, i certainly hope that is daniel said that it does turn out to be a stunt war. Some farewell tour for an over the hill politician. Ah, but i think a darker and perhaps an alternative and realistic explanation of this is that this is a consistent repudiation of the corner loan of china us relations. And this puts us on a very, very dangerous pass that ive described as the equivalent of the july crisis that served as the prelude to world war one. I did that said, i mean the gun, the guns of august here, this is something that ive talked about earlier in the week here. Angela, let me go to you in hong kong, i mean a, the, the one china policy work. So if it works, why fix it . I just dont get it here. Okay. And what, what, what, what was the catalyst for this . What so, you know, because, you know, blaine can, can Say Something biden can Say Something. Of course, nancy if shes coherent, i mean, but why is leaving their words is not enough anymore action speak more than words. Go ahead and hong kong. Well, im not surprised. Are those plans are done or well had were talking about the case. If you can see reports from the Rand Corporation in 2016, they already took talking about how they can contain china. Now theres an acceleration. The rank operation document says clearly that theres a window of opportunity where the west can contain china and that wind of opportunities between 2050 to 2025. After that it would be they difficult, almost impossible to contain china. So the u. S. Government is under pressure, so they using penalty to say when she, she went on my own and so on. Do not do not bind to this. You know, this is she was actually the right candidate because they can shift the blame on her. But if you look, there is a consistent track record of undermining the one china policy. And the ultimate goal is to complain china the same as you had Rand Corporation papers they were talking about long ago how to contain russia. You know, daniel, do say a parallel to ukraine with this because you and ive talked extensively on this program about ukraine and on december 17th for russia, sent a note to nato into the United States, saying this is a red line. This is the terms and conditions you, you are aware of our intentions now, and they completely blew it off and theyre like, blowing this off as well as it always says nancy on her farewell to her. I mean, you know, i mean i, that, thats not good enough. And if i were to chinese, i wouldnt accept that as well. Go ahead, daniel. Thats exactly what i was thinking is all the parallels to ukraine, and there certainly are so many of them. And i agree with a lot of of what youre speaker, im sorry, a chemicals name from on concert. I think thats a great analysis. However, this is again, that cant shoot straight. I am carrying out irans study would be like me doing Rocket Science or something. You know, its just not going to happen. That may be the goal of some of some pencil next are involved with the people who are carrying this out. Cant do it. The parallels are there and theyre actually sort of even spooky. Ukraine was dependent on russia, fords Economic Growth for trade. It had a potential back in 2014 of really developing a meaningful relationship with russia and further developing gets economy which has stalled since the end of the cold war. The same is true with taiwan and china as, as your other guests know better than i am sure. Taiwan depends on mainland china. Its as primary export market. Taiwan imports, i think Something Like 90 percent of its energy, 98 percent of its energy. It needs china next door to be a trading partner. And the u. S. Again came in as it did with ukraine in 2014 and said, oh yeah, were going to destroy this relationship and would you get in return . Nothing you get some promises from nancy pelosi, you know, take those to the bank, right. I mean, again, trying to make sense. It is very difficult. Andy, im going to be a little provocative right now. Well, at the Biden Administration is walking away from the one china policy, so china can to, i mean, its kind of a get out of jail free card. Okay. You, you dont, you wanna adhere to it . Why should beijing go ahead . Well, this is a very complex, dangerous situation, peter. So the cornerstone of china us relations is taiwan and the taiwan policy, the one, the one trying to policy the one china principle. So i dont think that china would walk away. The issue here is this. I completely agree that there are parallels between the ukraine situation and the taiwan situation in that the u. S. Is looking to use both as the proxy to contain those that it sees as an adversary. The difference though is that taiwan intrinsically is also the lynchpin for american hegemony. Not just in the pacific would globally in that whoever possesses taiwan. Well if, think about the 2 alternatives. If the u. S. Wins, we can see an independent taiwan American Military bases in taiwan. And that would constrain traina dramatically. On the other hand, if taiwan were unified with china militarily peacefully, that changes the Global Landscape as well. So this is a very, very important, a juncture for china, us relations and the world in this way. Its a little bit different from the ukraine, but i think it is the same in that the u. S. Is looking to use either ukraine or taiwan as a proxy to contain those it sees as an adversary, you know, until i mean, i mean without whats going on in ukraine and its not going well for the ukrainians. Its not going well for nato. Its not going well for the Biden Administration, so they want to mess with china now. I mean, do you see any logic to this other than the u. S. This is terrified of losing. Its a gemini and its being, its lashing out all over the globe. Go ahead in hong kong. It is a desperate move it. So its panicking. Its an impiety dispatch panicking. Its. Its saying actually that things are moving on the bricks than on a line. Would you have you have to, what did i, she is a lying behind the china and russia and the panicking because theres a new was older, especially economically. Theres a di dollarization ahead and this will accelerate the collapse of the west. So this is the last move. What they want to do is a parallel. Well, you see in ukraine, they wanted to fight russia to the last ukranian. What could happen . What they hope to achieve in the region is to fight china to the last i, when ease and then not only taiwanese might actually lose the lifes. You might have actually japanese to move in. And this is not only a containment of china, this is if this happen, it could be containment of, or se, asia, in, in the whole, the whole global south as she will with, will actually suffer from that. Well, you know, daniel, again, you know, kind of the same question i had for andy. I mean, if the u. S. Isnt going to be at here by this policy of one china than i think all bets are off in the, in the chinese will say look, i mean, youre not going to, youre not a reliable partner. So were gonna have to go out on our own, much like what the russians had to do. I know that that goes down to a path of potential conflict. But i mean, if you cant believe your interlocutors in washington, then what are you supposed to do, daniel . Exactly, and its, i think its a get another own go by the United States because its essentially the us who said now, hey, the rules are off, as you said. And so the chinese said, okay, that sounds fine. Mainland china, so thats fine. Heres our military exercises, were no longer going to abide by the central line. I will no gone, no longer going to abide by the sort of agreements that we have to watch set down and were going to start doing sanctions. I think i read them one of the sanctions on the export of santa taiwan. Well, thats a big deal because they do a lot of building. Its going to ruin the economy. Its just demonstrated. I think the u. S. Was hoping that china would overreact. The idea that china was going to shoot down philosophies. Plane is pretty preposterous. Its certainly not in the nature of chinese behavior around the world. But i think thats why the u. S. Moved to carry your groups to the region. They were hoping for a big dramatic reaction, if not shooting down at least forcing down the plain. That didnt happen because thats not how china rolled right there. Like al rush, not how russia roles until which were still. And so they didnt get that. And so the gloves are oftentimes its okay, we can wait this out, we can, you can on the pain, we can wait for elections and have a pro, you re unification. Goverlan. Daniel, dont you find it really interesting again, to the parallel with ukraine, you know, is it the way the west a particular United States talks about russias special military operation that theyre failing and all this, they always project what they would do. We would shoot down the plane. Yes, but they would, you know that again, thats kind of arrogance of projecting on the others. Who are gentlemen going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on i was staying with ah, the 2nd world war a thank to millions of people with during the conflict. The balance of power was held by the leaders of 3 nations. The united kingdom, the United States, and the u. S. S r dot b die him. When they go to a dead man tried cristo, creep up as not because hitler was weak and knew he would wait and he was bluffing. He was the Major Political figure, certainly one of the most prominent political leaders of the 20th century where they wish to report the germans of the germans. Or when we support the russians in that way, let them destroy each other. There was that kind of sentiment in the west at this time. The redrawing of european borders had begun. Britain and the United States. I then just really planned to attack the ussr of britain to survive. Russia had to be sacrificed. Hes as doctor should be like a dish. Davis. Mr. Boy from us is the luck of some recorded capital, mitchell, knowledge of knowing that the cold war had begun. Mm. Welcome back to cross stock were all things are considered . Im Peter Lavelle to remind you were discussing taiwan. Ah okay, go back to handy in beijing. Lets talk about and chinas reaction to the policy trip. They, 1st of all, the chinese leadership made it clear that they were not happy with this. And i always kind of like how the chinese and say theyre unhappy that translates to furious in in western speak. I always kind of appreciate that that the, the tempered language from a, from china. But you know that there is a reaction going on right now. And its again, kind of an extending to my question, you know, if the rule, if the rules dont apply anymore, china is going to be, lets a sake, more creative here. And it looks to me, it could be sustained and long term. I mean, the americans, i think this is a flash in the pan. Poke them in the eye, you know, dont work with the russians. Nasty, nasty business that youre involved with. And then it would just kind of go away in the new cycle. No, i am looking at whats going on in the straits. This is going to be a long haul for the very reason that i keep pointing out is that the americans that have been in this policy, maybe china wont do and unilaterally. But its going to interpret that policy in a different way. Moving forward, my opinion, your thoughts, my friend in beijing. So peter little bit as i may some Historical Context here. I think we looked at the era of engagement so where the us wanted to work with china. But this was not for altruistic reason. Of course, the american politics is predicated where i would say americas view of itself in the world is predicated on American Leadership who gemini, and the smart decision at the time for american leads. What we called the blog is that by co opting trainer with the johns a mean called a peaceful evolution, through soft means undermining china sovereignty. That that would be the best way to ensure american hegemony when they believe that that sailed mrs. I think why were seeing odd this change, i think what youre calling and i think accurately calling this abandonment of the one china policy to a much harder edged approach. I think we should not discount ah, the u. S. Ability to pursue this kind of goal. And of course, as china rises, it is perhaps the only country in the world that can challenge american hegemony. So this is a very rational, even predictable response. And how is china responding to this . So i think that its important to say that this talk of shooting down a policies plane, or intercepting it is not entirely an american invention. So there were chinese voices, some very influential ones, like who seeing the former editor in chief of the global tribes, who said exactly that, you know, if the plane is not intercepted and doesnt turn around, it could be shot down. So ah, certainly there are voices that are more hawkish, but i think what we see happening to your point about the chinese b very measured, i would say exhibiting both discipline and strategic patience is look at what happened in hong kong in the unrest a few years ago, there were people in china saying that the p l a should go in to put down this unrest, but instead, what did china do . It inactive . Some systemic changes like the passage of a National Security was that not only extinguished this, a foreign instigated unrest, but put hong kong on a sustainable path to stability and prosperity. So i think what we can see here is the policy, the u. S. As