InterNational Space station at 7 30 am local time here in bicycle know cause looks on the spacecraft is currently being transported to its final destination to b. Last. Now the crew on board will include 2 russian cosmonaut, as well as one us as turn out for the russians. The journey in space will last for a year and the american astronaut will come back to earth in spring. Ex us president Roland Reagan famously said that if one thing could unite both the United States and the soviet union, it would be an alien invasion of earth. And today he statement still stands relevant. A Space Exploration seems to be one of the very few spears, in which roster and america collaborate successfully. Assembly. Unlike on earth where people talk a lot and often dont hear each other in space, we hear and understand each other in our very sensitive about our relationships. This helps us in our work. Otherwise, we would at best to be unable to fulfill our National Space programs and at worst lose our lives. And the only reason you know that were from Different Countries is because of the flag thats on our shoulder. Otherwise we look the same and we work the same on board the space station in order to continue the work thats been done here on the ground. And assembled in space and doing the kind of research that can be done nowhere else. And its as simple as piece and cooperation and what our whole planet can do when we act like a unit for unified global partnership. It is expected that the flight to the i assess will take 3 hours and 15 minutes. 120 kilograms of cargo will be delivered to the station on the ship, including photo and video equipment, personal belongings of participants, food and equipment for scientific experiments. The journey to space is set to begin on the 15th of september 2023. Is there a check back in throughout the day as we bring late stories up for now, though from myself and from the team, you cant see them, but without them, none of this has happened. Its good bye and have a great day the. The hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things are considered. Im peter lavelle, natos goodwill. Secretary young stilton burke is acknowledged, but why dont we improve this decision to enter ukraine last year . Was to prevent nato from expanding into the country. Reclaimed. It was an unprovoked invasion. Is propaganda. The west ukraine narrative is unraveling the cross talking western narratives. Im joined by my guess. Erin, good in philadelphia. Hes a political scientist historian, as well as all through an american exception empire in the deep state in washington. We and matthew crossed and he is professor of National Security and director of academic transformations at bowie state university. And in montreal we cross the bank, lrc. Steve is a Canadian Foreign policy institute, fellow journalist and author, or a gentleman cross type roles and the fact im just gonna jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate, aaron, let me go to you 1st. I mean stilton bird, hes not the brightest guy. Thats probably why he has the job because he usually just repeats talking points written in washington. But he did kind of slip off by saying that the, the reason why russia entered you train last year is to prevent nato expansion. While we were told that was an unprovoked attack. Thats what they keep saying over and over again. But you know, this delta bird has a habit of doing this. He said, you know, from 2014 to 2022. They were arming ukraine to the teeth. I mean, they cant keep their narrative straight. And i want to talk about later how the world doesnt believe it. Your thoughts, aaron, as well, its pretty clear that nato expansion has been well underway since the end of the cold war. And that the u. S. Has never been really candid about its aims and why it was doing what it was doing. But i think that this with ukraine, they really cross the river counter. This is because they knew precisely as we know from the wiki leaks cables with the the, the, the see i courtesy i, director that he knew you know, to, more than 10 years ago that nato was a nato expansion. And to ukraine was the red us, the red lines for russia, and that was precisely why they, they stage that made on to in the 1st place to put in the us friendly government in to have it was its, its not that they were pursuing some diplomacy and then accidentally did something, was damaged, rushes, security, they intentionally set about inflicting as much harm to arrest and the security as they, as they could, the threatened Russian Security and the their, their presence in ukraine or potential presence in ukraine is deemed an existential threat by russia and the us knew that, and that was precisely why they did what they did. So this is something that more and more people are coming to understand in the past, it was only kind of cold war for a policy walks that understood it. And most of them were dissembling about it if theyre employed by academia or, and think tanks. So the result has been a slow realization that apparently has now finally reached the head of nato. That what this war was really about. M matthew is its really quite interesting because we how we got so many off the cuff comments like lloyd austin, the us secretary, defense thing. He wanted to significantly week in russia. Okay. And its comments like that then you know, and then of course people around them, correct them. But this is a very, very much provoked war. It was very intentional as aaron is point in and out. And this was the path that they were going down. They thought they truly believed that the sanctions wouldnt work. That would cripple rochs economy. Well, russias economy is due to grow 2 percent of this current year. I entered only contract and 2 point one percent last year, so they grossly miscalculated over and over again. And nato itself is a military align smell that says, United States. Okay, weve seen all through this complex here, the nato. I wouldnt call it a paper tiger, but its really not a, its more of a separate club, but a Political Club in a military alliance. Matthew and i, i like the fact that use that even the term miscalculation because i, i like what aaron had mentioned you, when do you cross the rubicon . You cross the rubicon, when youre not worried that anything is on the other side of it to bother you. And that was sort of, there was sort of an implicit arrogance or over confidence on the part of nato that it could do in ukraine when its done with all of the other additions over the last 10 years in terms of his membership. And there wouldnt be consequences even despite the very exclusive and transparent expressions from the chrome. Im saying there will be consequences if you do this. This is different from all the others. How nato just simply didnt believe it, or what youre mentioning, the miscalculation is it really so much about provocation as much about we miscalculate and we misinterpreted. We mean nato, the United States, that russia has the capability of doing anything. And even if it does, were able to meet the strength to strength without injuring ourselves or damaging ourselves in any way. Yeah, its even montreal, its very interesting is because i, on this program unfortunately, you cant watch it on youtube anymore. But when it was on youtube, i was telling the world, months before the conflict, its going to happen. Its going to happen on december 17th, but they are before the conflict the russian sent out to nato to washington. These are the terms and conditions of negotiating or avoiding a conflict, and they totally blew it off and stolen. But again, it mentioned, yes we, we got this here, but we didnt take it seriously. Those are my words, okay. But he didnt take it seriously and, and this is the result here. I mean, this was so transparently obvious that this was going to happen. I was screaming at the top of my lungs. This is going to happen. And nobody in the west believed that they thought it was all hyperbolic eve as well. I think in that that speech that he may where he made admission, which is of course, a very Important Mission and clear. This was a cutout for the other side. What he said was he was boasting, oh, sweet reading entertainment, joining. So i think from, from a us perspective, maybe this call an anglo sphere perspective. This isnt, this isnt the bad thing, right . You have, you have seen that you have expansion, nato. You have germany specifically, but western europe further subordinated to us geo political interest, you know, lessening there. There are a, theyre purchasing of a russian, uh, natural gas and oil and whatnot. And, and so, so from a us perspective, in the fact that, you know, ukraine is destroyed, the fact that hundreds of thousands are killed or injured. And thats, thats fine. Thats that, that, thats worth it from a, from a jeep a critical perspective. So, so i think that, yes, i agree with you, this was clearly provoke the, the, you know, the counter offensive is going to fail. And there is a, be, there is a bit of a problem for nato, with regards to, you know, what theyre able to do in, in ukraine. Because i think its still possible that russia, you know, at least guess odessa and, you know, expands expands a further but, but, but from i think from a macro perspective, that i dont think that this was a, you know, bad thing from us to a political interest obviously very good for all the Arms Companies. So. So its a little bit of, i think um, you know, for ukraine is a disaster, his catastrophe, and from any sort of human district perspective, if that is a, thats the case. But from a really kind of hard line kind of geo political calculation, this is probably all still kind of basically worth it from us perspective its, i absolutely agree with you. I think that the, its a very sober way of looking at air. And speaking of, you know, the costs and the benefits here to date, the, of the, by the administration is slated over a 100000000000 dollars to ukraine. What, what is the return on investment there . I mean its not the return on the investment is a whole lot of the ukrainians or no longer you no longer living best. I can tell its hard to know what the point is. Uh, it seems inviting maybe in the us maybe trying to keep to avert disaster before the election. And then who knows. I mean that the, it seems like reality is starting to sink and you see more reporting in different places in the west that the counter, if theyre just acknowledging the reality with the counter offensive, has failed spectacularly. Except in terms of, you know, creating more you paying casualties. So this is a, its been a, is that, that part is, is a waste. And i, i would disagree with the, with, with eve because i think that this has, its on the surface. Its good for Arms Companies and so on and probably Health System that you know, you sell us natural gas and such. But i think that the us is a point where it can waste a 100000000. 00 on war and added the deficit that way because of its control over the dollar. And, and i, i believe that this ukraine war and the russian evasion of the sanctions regime and the creation of new institutions to handle international payments. That all these things are going to collude to the hey, some of the demise of the dollar, which is really what the us empire has been based on since the post Bretton Woods regime really got consolidated a couple of years into reagans administration in the us and so it has just been this junk or not thanks to the power of the dollar its ability to run in with military. Well, i think yes, i think i think both of you can be right at the same time because i agree with you as well here. A math or youre not in your head, jump in, and i think just and then maybe this is too cynical, but ive said this in the past as well. We peters that the ultimate investment in the long run for american perception is always been way youre going to tell us we get to do a proxy. Ready or were, we get to kill lots of russians, but were not going to risk any american lives whatsoever in, in the consulate. And it will keep going and grinding forward and will be able to pursue through the media. Public perception that the Russian Military is and at the leadership is incompetent with small, Little Wonder dog ukraine is able to hold it off. See, weve weaken them in terms of geopolitical strength. Its all perception on its somewhat propagandistic, but thats still a return on investment that the United States still sort of stuck in that cold war mentality. Fines there are. Yeah, but last but not to i think that means i think that that the love i think that approach has it has a shelf life. Ok. Because of, of what eve and here and just had just like there are a buddy in montreal. Let me go to you right before we we have it. Were going to a short break. You want to jump in . Yeah, i mean, i think that thats an interesting point about i agree with there is a potential long term. I think clearly theres a lot of countries that are very concerned by the, the waves which the russian, a National Bank assets were frozen. And, and that question of how they are sort of concerned about the long term reliability of their assets in, in, in, you know, in the west and their, their use of the us dollar. So that could, we might, history might point to this being leading to the weakening and breakdown of the dollar hedge money. And so that ben history look back on this is, is actually very damaging to us, a geo political of interest. Yeah, well its not a zip the last 40 years out as a road record of success. So im not counting on that gentleman. Im going to jump in. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on western narrative. Stay with our team. The. The, the russian states never is as tight as one of the most sense Community Best ingles. All sun set up the same assistance must be the one else holes. Question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia cruising and split the ortiz vote net, keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services. For the question, did you say steven twist, which is the welcome back across stock . Were all things are considered . Im peter le belcher, when you were discussing western narratives. The okay, lets go back to aaron in philadelphia. We recently had the, the break summit in the g 20 and well it didnt go so well for the west. They couldnt get their narrative over the top. As a matter of fact, its really quite remarkable that the g 20 ended the way it did made a reference to ukraine, but just the conflict and nothing more. And that was something that we know that the west is trying to globalize internationalize, the ukraine issue, and its not getting tracks. And as a matter fact, its getting going in reverse here. This is a narrative that you know is something that we talked about in the 1st part of the program that isnt sustainable. People just simply dont believe what the west is saying, aaron, the right, i mean, i think that the us has been the global empire since the end of world war 2. And in europe, it still enjoys some support. But even in europe, there are signs that the us so generally maybe on the way there, i think, majorities in germany, for example, believe that the us and nato are more responsible for the ukraine war, then russia or guten, and so, and, and around the world mean west africa, whats happening in west africa is related to whats happening in new printer says because the, the us wanted to use the ukraine war as a way to create a new iron curtain and stop russia from trading with, with western europe. And keep us near the line with the us. But as we see in west africa, where the french dominates their whole, the neo colonial hold, which has been assisted by the us. I mean, it could, its, its likely a recording to max fluid 1000 dad. So blumenthal, those e mails to hillary, the french were very, will be fearful that libya was going to, um, basically we can the french, the currency in west africa. And that was one of the reasons they were behind getting rid of a good that they, because he wanted a unified africa. But now even those countries are rebelling against the system. And if, if theyre able to kick france out of west africa, which theyve really been plundering for quite a long time or of the century, then where with this parents have returned. But to the east. I mean, this is where the us position as a global head, tomatoes is, is weakening, and even in europe, theres a, heres a secret suppress history of things. The us, im glad you have done when, if leaders didnt do what the us wonder them to do. Even if they were in the western countries in the us ousted the, the australian Prime Minister in the 1970s. Thats not europe obviously. But also, although morrow the assassination in like 1972 or 73 and all of palma. And i think 86 offered hair housing in the late eightys at the end of the cold war. I mean, this business, this whole history of a bad things that the us has done when it took over management of western war period. Well, aaron, area its on bills are coming due as bills are coming due. And aaron, let me go to matthew. Now what about nord stream . I mean, what you know, here here is, you know, they, these people that glorify the Climate Change and all of it us and you have an administration the United States by all accounts come on. We created the, the, the worst, the geological incident and in the world history. Okay. I mean, this is what you do to your friends, what do they do to their enemies again, matthew, this is a ship. The global shift in narratives i think is very, very interesting. And, and we, we, you know, we saw the United States outraged about the co and nigeria, but they werent outraged in 2014 in ukraine. The world picks up on these things. Matthew, as well, i think your point also north stream. I always have thought is, is under emphasizes an incredibly important on the narrative perspective, simply because that was the one to me, the one incident that showed significant actors in western europe. But wait a minute. The United States always tells us that when it pursues its interest, those american interests also always perfectly aligned with the global good. And they always try to sell the narrative. But north stream and the ri