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RT CrossTalk July 3, 2024

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Who betrays ukraine, if im not mistaken, up to 14 years some presentment and 9. 9 seems sort barreled weapon went off in the chest area, followed by a control shot to the head and here mind forever near his place of residence in the most co suburbs which all i will comment on is that weve been killing russians, and we will keep killing russians anywhere on the face of this world until the complete victory of ukraine. But the terrorist attack on croak a city who that has seen 145 innocent people killed, would be by saul keeps bloodiest and divine list act. If this version is confirmed, of course, which russian authorities seem confident will happen. Do stay with us up next on cross talk is there . No red line is real low price and its a salt on does the end . Will ukraine join the Nato Alliance by the hello and welcome to prospect bullhorn sign. Peter lavelle. Here we discuss some real news, the end of an era and the start of another is there no red line is real world cross and will need to invite ukraine and to be lines this upcoming july. Or will they just budget . To discuss these issues and more, im joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest, hes a pod cast where the goggle, which weve found down youtube and locals. And in merrill cash we cross to martin jay, hes an Award Winning journalist and commentator. Right, gentleman cross type rules and effect, that means he can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate this kicked this off with george in budapest. I suppose. Its kind of a moot point or just rhetorical. Now is there no red line is real world cross because we had the vitamin ministration come out, training for over the uh, killing of the, um, uh, the western aide workers resting in word western. But on the same day shipments continued here. I mean, this has been a game of chicken and george men, yahoo is one. Well, im afraid youre absolutely right. The to think that theres any other has one of this has been going on since october, where washington same as the outrage over some, the latest is really atrocity, the latest the statistics about the civilian casualties and then nothing changes. So this past week we have the 78, what goes well west and i mean these are, these were west and aid workers where they could what one of them was a us citizen, the 3 british citizen. Um, and we had the attack on the uh, the rate in the uh Embassy Compound in damascus. So these are both uh, fairly outrages, actions and nothing really very much happens. Yeah, the same color as well. Uh, issue the policy is just a normal aid for um lets any of, are you serious about that . Well, no more rate until mid any. I will give them a serious accounting as to what hes doing. It will go write letters and then in the meantime in the u. K. U, but David Cameron said he was, is really a very bad thing. If you got 3 british citizens, a dead. And the boy you can do is just simply tucked south and wave your finger. I live in the meantime, you know bars, jones us as we were lots of lift. Anything stand in the way of mall of deliveries for as well. So going back to your blood. Yeah, this, this can go on for a long time. Lets in the im just going to continue winning. Well martin, the way i read it now in retrospect, this is just a very, very cynical game. I mean, if we do, we go back from october to the present everything george catalog did well, is a, you know, this is escalation of outrage and there is no limit to that. This is what has been proven. There is no limit. And we, we know that the, the Defense Ministry and israels angling for a possible conflict with the has ballade. Of course it ran is always on their radar here. And the administration does seems amazingly discussing lee pathetically impact. Did you have anthony, a link and the secretary of state . I mean, i much, im embarrassed when i see him though. He looks like an undertaker. Hes always looking down. Hes lying through his teeth, all the other administration spokes people are no different except for the excel in the, in expressing a smirk when their challenge. I mean, ive never seen this kind of book in my life and considering the United States as wants to be. Um, um, dominate predominant around the world, constantly rules based order, but who comes to this one issue there, impotent mark and what his thoughts em. I agree, i agree, i didnt, i didnt even know how to start this program to do it. Really the made all the points i want to debate. Um, but id, id have to take to task both through this idea that necessarily i, it was one i think. I think its too early to say because quite rightly to which mentions the tensions between hezbollah and im on israel. We saw now really at a level that we couldve imagined just a few weeks ago. But in addition to that, the bombing of the, the, is where the bombing of the reading concepts in damascus. Thats going over line as the situation now, the button will have is we hope you will have vices around him. And senior officials and the pentagon advising him that if the radians go ahead with what they threatened to do, which is to strike israel, then why slade, these really they are the americans would, would be, would be very wise, not get involved to take a step back and say we notify one missile because if you do fly with me, so if you launch one of the 351 of 68 of those aircraft carriers, then you have a world war scenario and is biting. Gonna go into his election role with what was around a world that no us president has ever wanted thumbs. Its not just somebody knowing theyve all avoided like the plague and you know, were all now in a situation though we are talking about a will on the ranges and the pin martin this bit, the cynicism is endless here because for example, is really media and government officials are not claiming they will for rightly or wrongly, wrongly is a, they, they, they ran, may strike israel in response, which is exactly what that and you know, who, once we get to that will force the americans in, i mean, this level of citizens keep going you have the account come in, the system posted was an impossible scenario. You know and bite in would be completely off. Is truly even to this. Im sorry martin, but we watched israel with el cheapo hospital. This absolutely decimated, turn it into ashes and the world watch a hospital. Were not talking about a military to be of george. Im of the cynicism is so thick its, its hard to see through it. And i would contend the, the, the sabre rattling with has bull, uh, the attack on the, uh, uh, uranium consulate in damascus. Its, its a diversion because they want to continue resolving or in pursuing their genocidal policies in god. So thats the point. Well, i think its maybe a diversity, but its much more likely a way of showing up your on. I mean, i think what is, what it is trying to do is push this to, to show the web page. Here on is a paper tiger because they run really does some of the getting involved of the well with this rope. So it doesnt want to get involved in a war in the united 11 and certainly doesnt want to either. The liberal doesnt want to as so therefore this essentially, you know, then what is what was done. This started down the gold pads around and said, okay, what are you going to do about it . We just hit your, um, uh, an Embassy Compound. What are you going to do now is they get around this thing, we will do this, we will do that, but we will do the outlet. But its quite likely, even though theyre to do very much. I mean, weve seen in the past with israel has conducted assassinations where they is assassinated. That sciences here are basically said back and watch, because again, youre out of those or they get involved in the war with is or if it goes that goes, thats a good, thats a reckless thing. You know, that it brings in the United States. And even when the United States that essentially the general saw them on a, were going to a national hero. Essentially, iran was allowed to perform essentially a pro forma strike. Just just to say face that america said, all right, well give you a one shot picture of barracks. No one gets the allowed. You can feel good about yourself that you of your allowed at least to have it. Well, george, you mentioned right here. It logic isnt publicly impeccable as usual, but martin and i certainly dont think it ran is going to have a direct uh, have a direct uh im directly target israel, though it has proxies galore. And i think thats what we have seen is it ran presumably reported lee, is it all its proxies or throughout the region to hold back . They have no, theres no reason for them to hold back. And thats the, thats the, the, the fear of the United States, because youre going to be getting picked off area all over the place. You know, where, where do you focus your attention . That is one, its not as dramatic, george, you, right. Is it being a council it um, but the impact may be just as meaningful. Martin . I think youre absolutely right. Yeah. Well be more pressure on the proxy. So be more, more leeway, more flexibility. I think for for hezbollah to even increase the intensity. And i still dont know show a few weeks ago that id say no, be some touch was twice in the future as to what was done. But i still think that were waiting for the day where hezbollah strikes in his writing image, organization, an institution, and kills number of the idea of soldiers that steps on the cause im signal todd, while im but in the last few days of the last few weeks weve seen reports now of both sides talking now of a real, real full more a not for these rileys but suddenly for the, for as blog would mean a land innovation of a northern strip of as well. And i think thats a reality which is now edging closer and closer and closer. And youre quite right to talk about these, these on the threshold. So weve reached, you know, and how they dont show people and how people are becoming more and more fatigued. So you know, we, we, we need to be more emotional to even sick need to get our attention form for media every day. Yeah. I was surprised that some the a work cuz the 7th day work has risen. Brits go the attention of the dates when you put it into contrast with the thousands of thousands of palestinian babies. You know, the killed every day and the most grotesque way. You know, in a way that all generation and only compared to the other cost. You know, those images, you know, they, they dont draining any more. The graphic, they raise a shop, you know, in h t. Um, but i, so i think the, the, these thresholds now being reached and International Law is becoming really a foss move and never it, it could be in an International Law. It was something it was really significant for american leaders, but not understood by that great to put big obama pulled out soldiers from iraq because of international. He also didnt invite serial. An independent big way because of International Role he signed. Didnt special roys advices . Told him by international, but i think International Lawyers very much all about whos in, well, i would think its quite selective. I mean, he did the select seems like they got the destruction of libya. Okay. And the previous administrations greenlighted the district and encouraged to guantanamo site, which is which, which, which, which one is which, which is yours, actually, georgia. I mean, it is been know already mentioned the game of checking here. Um, he wants to get rid of bite and does need this. Um and uh and you know, he is, thats a lot of the nets and the whole project that could actually come to fruition by doing these very unpopular is that a really, really tough um re election fights on these as no one in the body . Like, oh and loves joe biden. Okay, no, they dont. And he has a good shot that, you know, if, if trump is in trump, will be much more favorably inclined towards him then a bite who has been, i mean, its not a done deal, but theres, theres a reasonable expectation. You were asked to accept the reality that israel is a very serious country history. It is ready to do what it needs to do to im samuel, whatever goals i was a kid, nothing is going to solve that. I mean, i, thats, it is like where with the, you know, america is not going to stop us International Laws, all the stuff, like United Nations and all the discovery we go, we will do whatever we need to do. And thats really pushing that from what youve been with israel is, are there all the restraints so many days ago . And the, the only purpose thing is that we still all, i, we prevail over, you know, interesting, we know, because fine, its interesting we, enough yours is the, theres a very perverse logic to this because israel will do whatever it wants. Its demonstrated that, but ultimately the blame will fall on the United States. Its in under the Current Administration because thats how the world is going to look at it. And, and rightfully so, in many ways its, its, its a burden shifting as it were, or a gentleman. I have to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on some real new stay with our to the show. They just dont have to shape house and engagement trails. When so many find themselves will support. We choose to look for common ground, the the welcome back to cross side bullhorn and peter level. Here were discussing some re on this martin in july of this year. Its a 75th was already passed, but theyre going to have to be de la party of nato is a i anniversary 75th. And we have the secretary of state lincoln, which i referred to on this program as the undertaker of International Law. And he was standing right next to the ukranian for administer and made it very clear. Ukraine will be part of nato that we heard this. Well, you know, under the George W Bush administration, theyre still saying it though, a lot of things have happened since they dont want to induct to ukraine in, in july, or they just going to fudge it one way or other george. And i have very strong feelings about this. You go for us, martin. Im from a journalist point of view, i think is going to be a Massive Media fudge. I think its gonna be a little secondary. So theyve already prepared, you know, and um, i think were gonna, we should, we should be prepared for that. I think its interesting. I went with the conversation with the are you creating information they did this in the they they handed that theyve been discussing and how to do this. I suppose its how to budget. Thats what theyve been discussing. Martin. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I think the ukrainians have been doing very good job of fake news for all for a long time, under the leadership of their american friends and get few oh is wherever they go in the world. The americans always build this. This a sense of this information of she experienced a lot myself my own career. So we wish we should expect a lot of fake news, but you know what we should never forget is that the west is losing. And when you lose and it will, you lose ground, you lose territory, you lose villages and towns almost on a daily basis. And you become more, more desperate. You know, recently in the last we are seeing video footage of 19 or 20 year olds on a bus and ukraine in uniform looking as though that being driven to that desk. I mean to look at just misery on their faces. Now these Company Called scripts because they, we just, they just changed the, lowering your grade. Theyve reduced the color script age from 20 some to 25, which to west hales grades in a step, a Real Progress mc gram. Certainly thought and thank you maam. It doesnt have any children in mind, it doesnt let me children. And that was really, you know, how the bucket of water between is, is, i mean, is a complete idiot. So, so total idiots, you know, and some of the things that comes out with just astonishing but you know, i think to answer your question because a lot of fake news going to see a lot of, um, you know, you forget about how well nice it was. Done, and how is keeping the peace and now were looking around the world for new members, you know, in south america and in asia. But you know, there is an underlying message here which is that, you know, i dont think itd be it reflect vertically buttons on trip item. Well, we remember jabard full in years to come. Ukraine and gaza. You know, im on the for risk images coming from them because when, when the bite and goes pasta, so by date, any stops. You know, um, getting these days the week confused and the citys easy in, in america confused and connie and woke up the stage as almost happening right now. But when we get to the end, when we get it, we, we, we reached november, december, you know, i, i think come Many Americans will just think the made so on, on the west roll around the world. And its different strategy is a bit fake. Is a bit disingenuous because all the things they build, the good thing for joe biden is a he just probably wont remember it, but well have to do it ourselves. You know, george, i mean theres, theres a lot of, um, uh, financing you can do. We can, you know, you, weve talked about this many, many times and enforcing upon rush of frozen conflict with thats problem matic in many ways. If you have this, ive been to create a new category for, you know, a members shape um, um, just about or, you know, all kinds of things like that. I think it will be verbal. I think it will be rhetorical, but theyre not giving up on this project. I think, you know, we have to make clear to our viewers. The west isnt giving up on this project yet, george. I, i agree with you, but i think you summed it up very well that they might come up with some formula along those lines, which is a frozen config. Maybe a kind of a to, to a membership. Yeah. Yeah. Youre in but its not, you know, those quite have the status of everybody else. Um, you know, maybe theyll think of them. Well maybe we can cre

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