Does not help ukraine, ukraine will lose the war so. So in the greater scheme of things, this election is one more dark on the board for the pro peace crowd in europe at the time when europe and leaders sounds like a used car salesman looking to convince their citizens to let them take on the burden of backing you pray with tax, theres money, as congress and washington drives that speed on. Dont think it any more. Tax payer cash into its own military Industrial Complex for your trade obviously. So, i mean, thats a totally Winning Strategy so far. Just ask lensky himself. Cool. Right. Thats gonna do for me for now, but do say with us my colleague nick aaron is next in next in just about less than 40 minutes. Now with more of the day stuff. New stories by the the hello and welcome to cross stock bullhorn sign peter lebow. Here we discussed some real news, the end of an era and the start of another is there no red line is real world cross and will nato invite ukraine and to be lines this upcoming july, or will they just budget . To discuss these issues and more, im joined by my guess george, send me while we in budapest season podcast, where the god will, which be found down youtube and locals. And in merrill cash we crossed to martin j. Hes an Award Winning journalist and commentator. Right, gentleman cross type rules and effect, that means he can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate it or this kick this off with george in budapest. I suppose its kind of a moot point or just rhetorical. Now, is there no red line . Israel roll cross because we had the bite and ministration come out, feigning for over the killing of the well, the western aid workers rest and the word western. But on the same day shipments continued here. I mean, this has been the game of chicken and george men. Yeah. Whos one as well. Im afraid youre absolutely right. Pizza. I think that theres any other has one. This has been going on since october, where washington same as the outrage over some latest um is really atrocity. The latest the statistics about the civilian casualties and then nothing changes. So this past week we have the 78, what goes well west and i mean these are, these were west and aid workers where they could, what one of them was a us citizen, the 3 british citizen. And we had the attack on the e rate in the Embassy Compound in damascus. So these are both cars, fairly outrages, actions, and i see reading very much have a 0 the same congressmen. Uh, issue the policy is just a normal aid for um, lives in the area. Or are you serious about that . Well, no more. 8 until mid any, i will give them a serious accounting as to what hes doing. It will go write letters and then in the meantime in the u. K, you but David Cameron said he was, is really a very bad thing if you got 3 british citizens did. And, and the goal you can do is just simply top top and well, wave your finger in the meantime. Your bar is youngs us as we were lots of lift, anything stand in the way of mall, of deliveries, where as well. So going back to your point. Yeah this, this can go on for a long time. Let me, im just going to continue winning. Well martin, the way i read it now in retrospect, this is just a very, very cynical game. I mean, if we do, we go back from october to the present everything george, the catalog did well, it is a, you know, this is escalation of outrage. And there is no limit to that. This is what has been proven. There is no limit. And we, we know that the, the Defense Ministry and israels angling for a possible conflict with that has been a lot of course around, is always on their radar here. And the administration does seems amazingly discussing lee pathetically impact. Did you have anthony . A link and the secretary of state. I mean i, im much, im embarrassed when i see him now. He looks like an undertaker. Hes always looking down. Hes lying through his teeth. All the other Administration Spokespeople are no different except for the excel in the, in expressing a smirk when their challenge. I mean, ive never seen this kind of book in my life and considering the United States as wants to be a dominate predominant around the world, constantly rules based order. But who comes to this one issue there . Impotent, mark. What installed. Im tie, i agree. I agree, i didnt, i didnt even know how to start this program to george blue. The made all the points i want to debate. Um, but id, id have to take to task both through this idea that this and you know, it was one i think i think its 2 of the say because quite rightly george mentions the tensions between his beloved and im on israel. We saw now really at a level that we couldve imagined just a few weeks ago. But in addition to that, the bombing of the, the, is where the bombing of the reading concepts in damascus. Thats going over line as the situation. Now the bottom will have is we hope you will have the flies around him, and senior officials and depends are going to advise him. That if the radians go ahead with what they threaten to do, which is to strike israel. Then why said these really they are the americans would, would be, would be very wise, not going to go to take a step back and say we notify one missile because if you do flour me. So if you launch one of 35, well one of 68 of those aircraft carriers, then you have a world war scenario and is by to going to go into his election role with a, what was a run, a world the know us president has ever wanted thumbs, its not just somebody knowing theyve all avoided like the plague and you know, were all now in a situation. No, we are talking about a will on the right. Theres no the been martin. This bit, cynicism is endless here because for example, is really media and government officials are not claiming they will for rightly or wrongly, wrongly is a they, they, the ran may strike is real in response, which is exactly what, nothing, you know, who wants to get to that will force the americans in, i mean, this level of citizens keep going. You have the account come in the system possible as an impossible scenario. You know, and bite in would be completely off. Is truly even to this. Im sorry martin, but we watched israel with el cheapo hospital. This absolutely decimated, turn it into ashes and the world watch hospital. Were not talking about a military to be of george. Im with the cynicism is so thick its. Its hard to see through it. Um i would contend, but the, the sabre rattling with has bull. Uh, the attack on the uh, uh, uranium consulate and damascus. Its, its a diversion because they want to continue resolving or in pursuing their genocidal policies in god. So thats the point. Well, i think it may be a diverse or, but its much more likely a way of showing up iran. I mean, i think what is what it is trying to do is push this to, to show the web page. Here on is a paper tiger because he run really does some of the getting involved of the well with this rope. So he doesnt want to get involved in a war in the united 11 on certainly doesnt want to either the liberal doesnt want to as so therefore this essentially, you know, then what is or it was done, this started down the gold pets around and said, okay, what are you going to do about it . We just hit your, um, uh, an Embassy Compound. What are you going to do now . Is they get around this thing, we will do this. We will do that and it will do the outlet. But its quite like, even though theyre to do very much i, weve seen in the past whether it, israel has conducted assassinations, whether it is assassinated, that sciences here are basically said back and watch. Because again, youre right. It doesnt really get involved in the war with is, or if it goes, it goes, thats a, thats a reckless thing. You know, that it brings in the United States. And even when the United States that essentially the general saw them on a, were going to a national here of essentially, iran was allowed to perform essentially a pro forma strike. Just just to say face that, americans that all right, well give you a one shot pitch of barracks. No one gets a loud. You can feel good about yourself that you your allow the police to have it. Well. Well georgia managed right here. It logic isnt publicly impeccable as usual, but martin and i certainly dont think it ran is going to have a direct uh, have a direct uh im directly target israel, though it has proxies galore and i think thats what we have seen is it ran presumably reportedly is it told its proxies or throughout the region to hold back . They have no, theres no reason for them to hold back. And thats the, thats the, the, the fear of the United States because youre going to be getting picked up ever all over the place. You know, where, where do you focus your attention . That is one, its not as dramatic. George, you, right. Is it in a council . It, um, but the impact may be just as meaningful. Martin . I think youre absolutely right. That will be more pressure on the proxies. Itll be more, more leeway, more flexibility, i think for, for hezbollah to even increase the intensity. And i said on your show a few weeks ago that id say no, be some touch with strikes in the future. Students done by the so think that were waiting for the day where hezbollah strikes in his writing imagery, organization, an institution, and kills a member of the idea of soldiers that steps on the cause im signal todd while im but in the last few days, the last few weeks, weve seen reports now of, of both sides talking now of a real, real slow more a not for these rileys but suddenly for the, for as blow up will mean a land innovation of northern strip of as well. And i think thats a reality which is now edging closer and closer and closer. And youre quite right to talk about these, these on the threshold. So weve reached, you know, and how they dont show people and how people are becoming more and more fatigue. So, you know, we, we, we need to be more emotional to even succeed, to get our attention form from media every day. I was surprised that some the a well, cuz the 7th day what . Because 3 of them, brits go the attention of the dates when you put it into contrast with the thousands of thousands of palestinian babies. You know, the killed every day and the most grotesque way. You know, in a way that all generation and only compared to low cost, you know, those images, you know, they, they dont grainy anymore the graphic, the razor shop, you know, in h d. But i, so i think that these thresholds now being reached and International Law as becoming really a foss move in everett, it could be an International Law, was something that was really significant for american leaders, but not understood by that great to public obama pulled out soldiers from iraq, because of international. He also didnt invite syria an independent big way because of International Role he signed. Didnt special roys advices, told him by international, but i think International Lawyers very much all about who is in well, i would think its quite selective. I mean, he did the select visual, like they got the destruction of libya. Okay. And the previous administrations greenlighted the district and encouraged to guantanamo site, which is which, which, which, which one is which, which is yours, actually, georgia. I mean, it is been net, i already mentioned the game of checking here. Um he wants to get rid of bite. And disney he does. Um, and uh yeah, he is. Thats the, the, thats in the project that could actually come to fruition by delays. Very unpopular, is that a really a pretty tough um re election 5 at least as no one in the body. Like, oh and loves joe biden. Okay, so they dont, and he has a good show that you know, if, if trump is in trump, will be much more favorably inclined towards him then by who has been. I mean, its not a done deal, but theres, theres a reasonable expectation. You were asked to accept the reality that israel is a very serious country history. It is ready to do what it needs to do to pump out people, whatever goals i was a did, nothing is going to solve that. I mean, i, thats, it is like way that, you know, america is not going to stop us International Laws. All that stuff like United Nations mobile discovery. We go, we will do whatever we need to do. And thats really pushing that from what youve been with israel is, are there all the restraints . I mean they, they think was the only important thing is that we feel like we prevail overall. You know, interestingly enough, because fine, its, interestingly enough, yours is the, theres a very perverse logic to this because israel will do whatever it wants. Its demonstrated that, but ultimately the blame will fall on the United States in, under the current administration. Because thats how the world is going to look at it. And rightfully so, in many ways its, its, its a burden shifting as it were, or a gentleman. I have to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break. 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Walk a, the country 2nd largest city, turned into a theater of last year from 130 to the other 2 on the road as of no mortgage. How did the dramatic events unfold and how is walk a recovering from . He is a bloody conflict. Watch on to the welcome act across i bullhorn and Peter Lavelle here were discussing some real news. Martin in july of this year. Its a 75th, was already passed, but theyre gonna have to be de la party of nato is a adverse the 75th. And we have the secretary of state lincoln, which i referred to on this program as the undertaker of International Law. And he was standing right next to the cranium for administer and made it very clear. Ukraine will be part of nato that we heard this. Well, you know, under the george the bush administration, theyre still saying it though, a lot of things have happened since they dont want to induct ukraine in, in july, or they just going to fudge it one way or the george and i have very strong feelings about this you go for as much. Im from a journalist point of view. I think its going to be a Massive Media search, but i think its gonna be a little secondary. So theyve already prepared, you know, and um, i think were gonna, we should, we should be prepared for that. Yeah, i mean, its interesting. I went with the conversation, what they owe you, great information. They did this, but in the they they had did that theyve been discussing and how to do this. I suppose its how to budget. Thats what theyve been discussing. Martin. Yeah, i know. Yeah. I think the ukrainians have been doing very good job of fake news for all for a long time under the leadership of the american friends and the key f u o is wherever they go in the world, the americans always build this, this sense. So for this information, ive actually experienced a lot myself my own career. So we wish we should expect a lot of fake news, but you know, what we should never forget is that the west is losing. And when you lose and it will, you lose ground, you lose tell a treeless villages and towns almost on a daily basis. And you become more, more desperate to be, you know, recently in the last we are seeing video footage of 19 or 20 year olds pull in of boston, ukrainian uniform. Looking as though theyre being driven to that this, i mean the look of just misery on the faces. Nobodys called me called scripts because they, we just, they just changed the law and ukraine. Theyve reduced the color script age from 27 to 25, which the west hills grades in the step, a Real Progress since the grams certainly thought him thanks to a man, it doesnt have any children. And money doesnt mean children. And that was really, you know, half a bucket of water between is, is, i mean, is a complete idiot. So, so total idiots, you know, and the, some of those things it comes out with a just astonishing but you know, i think to ask you a question because a lot of fake news going to see a lot of, um you know, you for you about how well, nice it was done and how is keeping the peace . And now were looking around the world for new members, you know, in south america and in asia. But, you know, but there is an underlying message here, which is that, you know, i dont think itd be, it reflect very bad on job items. Well, we remember to abide and full in years to come ukraine and goza in there on the for risk images coming from them. Because when, when the biden goes, pulse to sell by date and he stops, you know, getting these days of the week confused, and the cities in america confused. And connie who woke up the stage. So most happening right now when we get to the end, when are you gonna we, we, we reached november, december, you know, i, i think come Many Americans will just think the nato on, on the west roll around the world. And its different structure is a bit fake, its a bit disingenuous because, well, they think they build, the good thing for joe biden is a, he just probably wont remember it, but well have to do it ourselves. You know, george, i mean that theres, theres a lot of, um, uh, finessing you can do, you know, you, weve talked about this many, many times and enforcing upon rush of pros in conflict with thats problematic in many ways. If you have this a bit to create a new category for, you know, a membership and just about, or, you know, all kinds of things like that. I think it will be verbal. I think itll be rhetorical, but theyre not keeping up on this project. I think, you know, we have to make clear to our viewers, the west isnt giving up on this project yet, george. So i, i agree with you, but i think you sound it up ver