Madam secretary next item, please. Item 5 proposed legislation from the board of supervisors Public Safety and Neighborhood Services committee during the course and possible action. Whos presenting this item . Chief the department chief joanne hayeswhite ill just saying goodbye to the captain thank you very much this item will be given a general overview by the and fire marshall like him to approach the podium thank you, chief. Thank you, chief and commissioners good evening and chief dan Fire Marshalls Office for the supervisor campos legislation there are 3 areas and fire code that will be amended with that legislation ill identify those 3 areas and to the impact on our resources within the implementation of the proposal so the 3 areas that will impact will be smoke alarm requirement and fire alarm maintenance and fire upgrade the smoke alarm proposal will require the Building Owners with an annual notice to post that notice in common areas the building this notice this informational sheet fire safety sheet will be developed in in conjunction with the building inspection and post on the website and posted in 3 languages english, spanish and chinese and will require that the Building Owners to issue a hardcopy of that to each of their tenants annually and requires the Building Owner to post this in the common areas at one location on each floor of the location the impact will no major impact the times developed into and to have it translated this informational sheet and posted on the website that is something to absorb with the staff at this time and number two fire alarm Maintenance Requirements supervisor campos protective requires Building Owners to file every two years a statement of compliance a form that which is a form of annual fire alarm investigation testing is it certifies their fire alarms were tested that year per updates set to standards that form is submitted to right now as that reader to the Building Department but still in the works and maybe changed to the Fire Department depending on the resources we are that we can apply to this so every two years 9 years or more those Building Owners will submit on odd years and 8 unit will submit on even years the impact to the division will be receipt of more than 5 thousand forms annually with the potential to get the majority towards the end of the year will greatly overwhelm the staff and managerial staff thats our recommendation the time recommended for the database with the additional time to research when building with required to file with would take a considerable monument the proposal we dont know chomz have fire alarms and which ones does not all building are required to have fire alarms some are existing the best way to address that the annual be inspections well add a section of a firebox and inquiry that is one way to track for 9 units or more those buildings with 3 to 8 ill recommend Housing Department inspects those some kind of similar effort from the Housing Department theyll take time a year at least a year to gather all the data florida in the database and which ones have it and cho which building dont without that if you dont submit on our own we dont know if youre delinquent or not fire alarm upgrade to renovate, upgrade the existing fire alarms existing with seeping areas by july 1st, 2021, upon completion of 50 thousand or more so the initial impact will be that great on us because most are deadlines their inloaded the deadline what a e wait until the deadline and rush out to comply so with the fire Emergency Rooms there are 25 thousand Apartment Buildings how many have fire alarms we dont know an educated guess 78 thousand thats my educated guess what percentage are noncompliant roughly 50 percent so three or four thousand that require upgrades how that impacts us we have to get a designer and contractor to design a fire alarm submitted for approval through the plan section and receive the plans and get them approved and sent out to the field and test on the new fire alarm upgrades three or four thousand inspections each inspector doesnt one thousand inspections a year three or four inspectors in the field to address this well talk about realistically probably two plan receivers after 2021 after all compliance and submittals have come through it is up to date that load and requirement will drop off it will be taken care of and ill take any questions at this time. Thank you fire marshall all right. Are there any people in the greatly that would like to pack a Public Comment at this time all right. Public comment is closed. And go to any fellow commissioners gwen with Vice President commissioner Vice President cleaveland. Thank you madam president and thank you, chief fewer comments on this obviously in the preliminary stages of reviewing this legislation and youll have to probably get hard numbers to what the budgetary impacts to implement the legislation obviously a delta between the Apartment Buildings that have alarms and those that dont sea have alarms not working properly you have a big task thousands of the buildings that need to be inspected and do you have the resources to do that if youre saying you dont we need to make sure the supervisor understands and ask for additional budget funding for to do this very work this is proposed so thats my first question is wheres the money coming from and how much will it cost to do the job that the supervisor would like the Fire Department to do with regards to the residential fire inspections and get that money then we could implement this ordinance. Yes. Commissioner again, i will think that field intishgdz and thats 5 additional positions. What are the dollars. Id like refer to mark on that. Okay. The other thing worth noting were talking about fire alarms so the fire code drives fire code and the housing code were not part of that but a section that doesnt list in the fire code that alarm system and my question from the Housing Department what is an alarm system as opposed to a fire alarm system my understanding an alarm system which is not a fire a fire alarm is a control united i united with inputs and outputs and listed with the Fire Marshalls Office youll have systems that are hybrids or whatever you call them not falling there that definition of a fire alarm maybe and Burglar Alarm tied with the smoke alarm thats an fire alarm how do we address that those are questions well have to come to grips with and find solutions so it is going to be a complicated task obviously we have an issue we dont know exactly how many residential buildings have fire alarms and Smoke Detectors that will be a hercules attack to see in terms of the safety of the Residential Housing stock so to do that and do it right were going to need funding so certainly hope that. 25 thousand that we know of we got a list and comparing their list with our list total list of 25 thousand were comparing notes at this time but a survey of 25 thousand buildings ill agree that is challenging. I have a question in terms of the current annual inspectors the highrise building and residential inspection or not. In their one in the same were required to inspect all highrises in San Francisco where you have a highrises an rh2 that is considers that falls under having inspected the rh2 a two for one. A hundred is over what 7 stories and 75 feet we have roughly 6 hundred highrise and 33 in the the pipeline for inspection. Those improvements where annually inspected by the rest of the meddled family dwelling units dont get annually inspected. We do their falling under housing. I cant speak exactly to, you know, how up to date housing is what they do i can speak to fire. Housing will some of the data. Well, thats our next step we need to speak with housing. Is a task and i think the supervisor is right in saying that we need to know how safe or unsafe our reciprocal hornl it is a big task and big ask in order to get that data put together within a timeframe that he is expecting ill suggest we need to ask the supervisor to punish the implementation date by a year well 2009 get the data in time to have to information to be able to go into effect by the first of next year. Youre asking hard dollars we to have that data and make an educated estimated guess whatever you call it will be in the ball park but to do it right well on a need to do a survey of all 25 buildings. We all want to do the right thing and the Fire Department wants to do the right thing we need the resources to do that. I agree. Thank you. Thank you Vice President commissioner Vice President cleaveland and commissioner nakajo. Madam president and chief thank you for your report and information i dont have too much specifically to add Vice President commissioner Vice President cleaveland has commented it was condemned in a nut shell covers the concepts and concerns meaning the amount of task and the amount of integration of data and the coordination of data between the Housing Department and who will do that basically and thats pretty much where i was focused on my question was what is the timeline on the legislation and the projected i think i heard that that is projected for the beginning of year . As those 9 unit the beginning of the year in 2017 the following year would be 3 to 8 units theyll alternate on odd and even years the first wave this january and the second next january. Okay. This specific legislation were talking about smoke alarms per say; correct . Auto were well, two things were talking about fire alarms, maintenance thereof and talking smoke alarms the reporting of the fire alarm maintenance not more the smoke alarms are us on our website for the smoke alarm requirements the Building Owner will be have to retrieve that information and print it out and give that to each the tenants annually thats all that is required the reporting part it the maintenance right now in you have a fire in your building you are required to have a inspection and reporting and giving that information to the Fire Departmentr Building Department so people can put in their address and see if if theyre building complies. I appreciate that information it helps me in terms of the getting that clarification from smoke to fire alarms and the differentiation between that it was just within our time on the legislation that is projected with the amount of work and the right side we dont have i dont want to use the budgetary unrealistic but responsibility within you are jurisdictions were find the clarify that it so im concerned as well not supportive of those irks in terms of what were trying to accomplish with the supervisor im not sure we can accomplish those tasks with the limits of the budget to do the work i just dont want to fall on us and not do it i appreciate the fact youre putting together the numbers and madam president. Thank you commissioner nakajo. Is chief joanne hayeswhite you want to. Thank you commissioner president covington i just wanted to add to our comments and presented by the fire marshall we want to make sure that everyone collective is going both the legislation with eyes wide on we believe we are im in total agreement that anything that can safe lives and reduce injuries with fire safety the reality well need Additional Resources the fire marshall said specifically to be locked in we dont know the true impacts it is difficult at this time but some ideas weve passed to the Building Department and to the Mayors Office of budget well receive assistants in the form of work order to get the ball rolling in terms of the database the idea to marry the database and the information will be more assessable and consistent for the public that want this information and then in addition to have the field inspectors that number needs to grow because of the requirements of the legislation. Thank you chief joanne hayeswhite commissioner hardeman. Thank you fire marshall i support commissioner nakajo and commissioner Vice President cleaveland statements obviously a Financial Impact and hopefully that has to be addressed so the Fire Department can contribute to the notable legislation but getting back to smoke alarms so and the fire alarm how does that effect the entire residence person has a kitchen fire or something going on in the zone left the french fries on that was a financing in the front of the room burned his bob mcdonald was day now but smoke alarm in multiple rooms i was disappointed in the Mission District we had the great presentation which people of the was long but you were trying to get all the facts out only 70 smoke alarms were taken from the meeting that surprised me i have multiple fire alarms and detectors throughout my house i cant imagine that people in the mission have enough smoke dedeckers within theyre building they understand how you have something going on in the garage your by the time you, your Smoke Detector one in each bedroom. Yes. You think i would bet anything that very, very few houses in the Mission Street have smoke alarms in each bedroom. You typically go by the manufactures recommendation and usually one covers most sleeping areas a smoke alarm on all levels of the house it pertains to the hallway in our hallway youll want your smoke alarm with an corridor over 40 feet two smoke alarms and that pretty much covers the general requirement and now a 10 year battery life. Not a selfcontained pattern those batteries cant be replaced dispose of that smoke are alarm and get a new one, if you have existing smoke alarms you replace the battery twice a year recommended but the date the manufacturer date after 10 years recommended you replace that with a new smoke alarm i think that people only change the battery in reality youre supposed to change out the alarm. So the smoke alarm in restriction to the fire alarm how does the fire alarm take up what is going on in the residence. You have hallways and this big building. If were talking about molts and hotels or Apartment Buildings thats another thing did apartments your smoke alarm youll not be tied in with other unit youll have the alarm go off selfcontained a smoker sensor they call it a Smoke Detector it is not it is part of a fire alarm system 250i9d into a control unit so your smoke alarm is a stand alone unit that senses the smoke and gives off a alarm oversee are in the independent places your base building fire alarm has notification throughout the common areas with a full station with sprinklers and the base Building System the system goes off and it is a smoke alarm is within the unit itself. That was a great explanation thank you. Thank you commissioner hardeman i have a few questions for you fire marshall decould say i dont i noticed in the proposed legislation january 2017 i dont see how we will be able to have all the ducks in a row for that but on package 4 of the document line 13 there should also be a list of organizations that provide counseling to tenants on issues related to fires and Contact Information for those organizations do you know what kind of counseling their referring to. I dont know that remains a question and discussion regarding on page 6 item one 06 a dot 5 dot 14 dot i regarding the information submittal on line 18 of your document it says within 72 hours of the posting of a notice of violation on the subject site the Property Owner shall provide the following information in writing a a description of the steps taken and the methods use to stabilize and secure the subject building and premises including Bayview Gardens one sensing the buildings perimeter and two securing and barricading the windows and other points of industry from the outside and 3 assessing the property weekly to make sure that note unauthorized entry and any sensing and barricades are secure and remain in place and four providing twentyfour hour security my concern is that you know all things equal and the life going along nicely that a Building Owner will be able to comply, however, in the event of an earthquake how are people supposed to be able to meet the letter of the law. Because contractors, sense builders and Structural Engineers will be in short supply has there been any discussions of this particular section of the proposed this section. Legislation. This section addresses the Building Code and structural district of the believes that falls outside the scope of the Fire Department thats for the Building Department will come in and assess the building is it safe to occupy if not able they will order the building sealed up and redtagged and secure the site this is addressed to the Building Department and the Building Code what weve just you