Call the order of regular meeting of Public Utilities commission todays date is tuesday, october 13, 2015, roll call please. Commissioner president caen commissioner vietor commissioner moran coordinating commissioner moran Vice President we have a quorum approval of the minutes of the minutes of september 22nd additions, deletions, or changes to the minutes seeing none, may i have a motion. So moved. All in favor, say i. I. Opposed . That motion carries we also have the minutes of september 25, 2015, the joint meeting of lafco and puc any additions or corrects. Move approve all in favor, say i. I. Opposed . That motion carries at this point, im calling for Public Comment on any item not on the agenda i see a card from ann clark. Hello ann she also has good news. I do have good news i am here on behalf of the friends at camp mather for the staff for the support and advise you gave to us for a family friend day on september 2nd of we really had a terrific Family Fun Day a lot of people there i want to also comment that sfpuc was next to the fire truck and sfpuc notch of them what is a bounce ball next to the bounce house was a table and they brought pictures for kids to color that table with all the kids around it and the bounce i didnt house that table was full of kids all day long they loved it they loved the coloring and the pictures and they behaved wonderfully that was really exciting to see the little ones with such fun in a good way was nice thank you to harlan and others that came and supported us and let you, you know that was really, really, really a fun family day thank you very much for your help. Good im glad it here it im sure the parents were happy they were involved that the fun any other Public Comment before we move on. Item 5 communications. I didnt thank you madam president a couple of things one on the report on the 525 golden gate building the status of id like to probe a little bit deeper than the memo went i right hand lane reporting on the performance of leading elements is not part of the certification we did it to get the right thing thing im interested and sounds like from the memo a series of studies and reviews that are take place on the living machine that will produce an in depth analysis in the not too distance future within the other elements the solar panels and my understanding is theyre working as anticipated and indicating that is probably beyond pilot stage pretty much predictable and Wind Turbines are a different story and what i understand is that what the memo said basically, thats been shut down for survivalist issues and performance issues i understand one of the things the company that made those has gone bankrupt and so it at proprietaryy contract were not in the position to maintain them theyre a a lot of lessons ill be interested to knowing what they are when the Wind Turbines every produce power before they were shut down did they live up to the expectation and what did we learn about the process and technology and what how to make those lessons known to people despite that is a followup item on the part of the living machine id like addressed in the reports that come forward my understanding we expected that we would produce a lot of excess water and could use that water for irrigating the Civic Center Plaza and projecting forward that in an area like downtown you didnt need every building to have those intelligence if you could have enough of them they could share the water they produced and get good coverage theyre looking at spending money trying to figure out how to get water into the purple pipe systems that should be installed there this was one way to accomplish that it appears im going from it appears were producing. Bunch ever water not using the building were not producing the surplus my indication weve learned in that process also my understanding that in the design of the buildings because we thought to whether be a surplus of water we made decisions about the water things walk waterless urinals from the result of that technology or not as much water coming out of that the residual the conservatism and that you shouldnt rule out Supervisor Scott Wiener features and fixtures because you think you have enough water to handle it well get beyond those are the kinds of lessons i was hoping to have recorded and to look for a forum the Architecture Community should know that and the Building Community should know those things im looking for another addition and make sense to wait for the living machinery reports we owe it to the people that pay for the projects to do a better report. Then on the construction contract award summary i havent had a chance to look at the information id asked for that information because the one of the fundamental management benchmarks for the San FranciscoPublic Utilities commission contracting process we would monitor performance against engineering estimates this data says the engineering estimates have been used are growth measure and certainly not something youll use a Financial Management tool and my understanding is that were planning on doing a different kind of cost estimate that is important to recognize as we go to different contracting methods use different ways of managing we need to make sure the metrics were using are having up to the protection that are appropriate thats one as we get into how we manage those contract not just the ordinance but how we chose as an organization we need to keep in mind thats my comments. I have a comment on the building on the building i also love to see comparison you know the Bullet Center in seattle theyve been saying theyre the green it commercial building in the country and it would be nice to have a little bit of comparison not two in depth but to see if their systems are perform in the this is a and by comparison what were doing Lessons Learned exercise not too deep of a dive but in the shirt of sharing with the architecture field the envelope that was one of the intentions a little bit of comparison and similar types of buildings. You know it is an excellent point you also have oath building right there. laughter . I know that organization would be happy to serve as a benchmark i had a question about the emergency sister tenors and he cant recall i think that arent we using portal a water for this water supply im wondering if this is a conversation we can reopen and tie to the nonpolitical work were doing and the ordinance wools be rolling out i know there is probably health and political issues but smells now is the best time when were in a drought to voluntary that conversation and transition a portion of that water to nonport nonportal. Theres a lot of id like to thinks before we start engaging folks and how we deal with stormwater and so the question how do you use a combined system or have a speculate system we need to get the grips the issue to use our combined sewer system as part of you know the a w s system we are planning to build a recycled facility at oceanside which we passed the eir were definitely moving forward and the level were going to straight r treat it of one of the highest levels with asbestos so we need a time we need how to plan around it most expensive part is transportation of our moving water with the purple that is my understanding as you imagine digging up in San Francisco is really a challenge so not only that were looking on the side if we want to be a power provider we need to talk about how we actually have extra capacity so this is something for sure we probably need to come up with a plan how we are planning to treat that as one water because that is the concept were moving towards yeah, and go back on the comment of c n g c we would like to give you anymore information the missing piece moving in that direction when the engineering estimates were engineers and contractor that are building that are ideals how to save thats what im interested and have you know a third Party Practices but we can go through that as far as the building is concerned when we talk about 525 talk about the leading edge and ill say the Wind Turbines is the leading edge i think one of the concerns once we start bringing the company in they went out of business and do we stale it e. 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Not we felt we can continue i think the point we definitely have a lot of Lessons Learned but well have the whole shape the fad that maximize the wind velocity and i did a process who can take advantage the slope of the side of the building to generate power i feel that the way that the wind it is your baselines are concerned they need to be engineered better than today so well go back and take a step back as far as the Water Concern there is some challenges with the water urinals and the carriage that is there is caused a problem that is high and a lot of you know chemicals so we choose the waters because we felt there was enough water and then with the excess water well water maybe the city hall or Something Like that i think the challenge is that the cost of bringing our pipes to city hall versus how much water becomes a problem so what i think this is all new information that helps inform us when we Start Talking about other projects we had to try it out first so i think we would love to go back and say to the original assumptions and summary something higher and the cost of actually bringing it to the where we thought would he would be well definitely work on that. I appreciate that let me be very clear i think your point those r were experiments and test we went farther most people 0 would go further than most people would go we had an opportunity but the fact it didnt perform according to our expectation is not a ding we the ding we didnt tell people what we learned so im anxiety to get those out with the respect to the excess tenocisterns were tt going to direct portal reuse and the standard that will be protective of Firefighters Health and might be good to get a definition how good it needs to get thats a design criteria to make better use. Thats right to get a sense in this one water roll out or whatever the timing that of those sister tenocisterns. We like a system where water can move around we have issues with the sewers with a large volume and the drought 33 very little water goes through them in the sense weve been push conservatism and a lot of water is not moving the solids it will be nice to flush it there are a lot of issues to use more water but be more efficient the main thing it would be hard to to the projects from going along we should think of ways to be nice to not tiein with the cisterns but the water use throughout it city at a higher level of recycled water is another approach i definitely welcome that that we look at how we can make the city use water. Okay. Any other comments . Any comments from the public yes gary. Good afternoon, commissioners eric brooks im with the sustainability chair at the San Francisco green party and on the water Chapter Sierra Club excuse me. And i wanted to point out a couple of things on the last item you mentioned in the countries like australia that had severe drought cisterns are a crucial part of the keystone to the drought storing water instead of letting it run through the ocean is crucial the do idea we need to not store water is counterintuitive to me i know weve not done test projects we must a few years ago i pushed age and your head of wastewater enterprise did a great report on compost toilets take the solids out of system this commission do nothing about that report we need test pilots those involved separating the urine part of waste from the other waste it a better methodology for a low flush or no flush urinals and no toilets ill urge we get series about the test programs done for compost toilets in the urban area we need to initiative and get that off the ground in San Francisco just to give you a hypothetical on the numbers if everyone in San Francisco used composite instead of a flushing toilet well save 5 billion with a b 5 billions gallons a year and completely remove human waste out the system and put them into a composite system a vital next step well rocket past australias and look like the innovators and take the 21st century to repeat weve got to do large sail cisterns in every business in the city to address the state of california thanks. Thank you yes. I didnt want to jump on the nonrestricted portal maybe not a discussion or presentation one minute on is there any challenges with the new ordinance coming online and i think that is a pretty good summary on ask the general manager if things with going according to plan and that is achievable. What part do you want the legislation and the nonrestricted perpetrated i like that are 10 or 12 projects in the cue that has indications for a host of reasons on the reasons around flushing the systems and revenue generations and all kinds of things and staffing potential to revenue review the projects but a lot in there a short summary. One of the Biggest Challenges and maybe someone who has been. Paula back there. Working on it the wastewater side paula. One of the big champions with the new regulations is that basically, we want large buildings to actually treat their wastewater on site so this year definitely continuous but some concerns i mean our system is built so we have operators at the plants now all those decentralized locations which could be problematic if theyre not working properly so i on the thing we need to try to moving in the right direction and carefully because you you know the plant is all of our resources are and it is arguments about the decentralizing and centralizing and taking out you know solids and so i think that is you know our concern if whatever they have is not you know removing the solids as presented or where will they put the solids thats a concern i do feel like the living machine you on the system like that can be something valuable but i think the Lessons Learned well talk about the challenges of the living machine we plugged it in and it didnt work properly but sewer operators that manage our systems and another buildings they may not have the system and the cost would be well work with the office paula did you want to talk about more liv. City Attorneys Office not on the agenda to go into details about the substantive you can schedule something. At some point it might be worst and in tandem with the Lessons Learned but mower of a presentation especially leading up to budget the budget indications. Are they another any other Public Comment on this item seeing none, other commissioner business. Now as you may know i am leaving any position of president today so i had a few things to say ive reflected about what has been going on and im truly proud truly proud that that commission and staff accomplished everything they have. First, i want to thank general manager kelly for his leadership on advancing this agency i wanted to thank our City Attorney for the work on every single one of the issues as you may know they are i wanted to mention highlights over the past or parts year, of course, the drought we cant forget that and certainly went beyond the aspiration target and exceeding them all this is true of our with wholesale customers as well i want to give credit to the water team for all the hard work and add over the years the proper Water Management has certainly showed it as we look at our reservoir as compared to others im sorry that nicole is not here i wanted to mention her in the same topic of the drought and her best staff because the campaigns were the same tyrone so get the wonderful job of coordinating the wholesale customers and us not only have we been getting results on the reservoir but moving forward to disif i our water zones and getting construction on the west side expired water faucet well continue our process constructing the ground water wells in San Francisco and today, we had a press conference to all the progress 16 new wells for the ground Water Project as you may know this years Water Improvement Program is over 90 percent completed in 2002 when the bond issues were passed and things were really in disraw truthfully i thought this was never going to get done and now 90 percent done thats very exciting. Another milestones was achieved the achievement of over 7 millions save working hours with the Training Programs and workforce a lot of credit goes to a gm how and director wade now moving to my favorite area the southeast i was very hesitate about saying this it was endangering but a Successful Campaign that is what more can i say about i cant read my writing about everyones i got to get it right your number 2 is our number one got is; right . Yeah. It was very catchy and tie responsible for that and i want to tell you something i found out he was a biology major they cant write so how he does so well, maybe you were destined to be a scientist you know how compassionate i am at invest work and looking at to the project and design and expressed were not waiting for the Large Capital projects this year a gm and his Wastewater Team made the progress ramming sewer inspectors to 150 million i was very much in favor of and very good pieced in the paper about that 3 advertising ones on that side ill keep a close eye on the sewer and wastewater those we owe the people in the Southeast Area this year i also wanted to commend the efforts of a gm alice for 15 hundred youth darting aro