And click on watch sf gov tv 2. Member oz thf public take the opportunity to silence phone squz electronic devicesism Public Comment is limited to 3 minutes per speaker unless otherwise established by the presiding officer of the meeting speaking. Speakers are required to state name kwr yellow speaker cards on the table appreciated a and deliver the speaker cards up here on the edge of the rail. So, with that, sf gov tv can we have the slide, please . I goti guessthere we go. My turn. As is our new custom we begin and end each Small BusinessCommission Meeting with a reminder that the office of Small Business is sth thonly place to start your new business in San Francisco and the best place to get answers about doing business in San Francisco. The office of Small Business should be your first stop when you have a question what to do next. We provide free and won on one assistance to help achieve goal squz needs. The suchbss include a check list of required registration, permits licegence zoning requirements. We connect you to city funded Business Resources through various partnerships for the development of your Business Plan to access financing legal and Technical Support or any other assistance thmpt office of Small Business is here to support through the many stages of business not just the beginic. We are here in city hall room 110, monday through friday. You can calloon the phone, 4155546134 or visit on line, business portal. Sf gov. We provide service in english chinese and spanish. If you need assistance in Small Business matter start here. Item 1 is call to order and roll call. Commissioner adams, here. Commissioner dooley. Commissioner dwight, here. Commissioner ortizcartagena, here. Commissioner toursarkissian, here. Commissioner zouzounis, here. General Public Comment. This allows members to comments within the pursue oof the Small Business commission and suggest new ajepda items. This is the time to talk about things not on the agenda today so this is your chance. Any members that would like to comment or make suggestions for things not on the agenda today . Seeing none this Public Comment is closed. Item number 3 is discussion and possible action to make recommendations to the board of supervisors on file number 160024. Police and administrative code all jnder toilet facilities. This is a ordinance amend thg police code to mandate business squz places of public accommodation desinginate single user toilet facilities available to public or employee as all gender and accessible personoffs any gender identity and require enforcement of the signage requirements by department of building inspection and require buildings on land that the city owns or leases to provide all gender toilet facilities. This is a action item for you commissioners and today we have Carolyn Goossen aid to supervisor campos office thank you for having me here today. Im here representing supervisor compose. We have introduced and worked on so many monthwise advocates in the transjnder and disabilities and Senior Rights muni. This is a piece of legislation that is very common sense to increase zeens can safety in San Francisco. We have a number of supervisors who cosponsored the legislation including supervisor farrell, kim, mar and yee. What this law will do is require businesses and places of accommodation to identify any single room bathroom as a all gender bathroom. It dozen require a change in the fixtures of the bathroom, it is insureing through signage change anyone can access the bathroom. The reason is this a important issue particularly then Transgender Community relates to safety and violence the community experienced and then in term thofz seniors and Disability Community surround the often complicated negotiation if you have a tenant that is a different gender having to decide which bathroom to go in. This is relevant for parents of opposite gender children a well as mere broadly it is a instance women face and womens have long restroom lines. Essentially we feel this is very common sense. We are not the first to do it. A number of cities have already put forth such laws locally including in washington dc, philadelphia, austin, west holly wood, berkeley and new york. This is introduced at the state level recently and we have very strong support from a number of agencies. We worked with dbi [inaudible] here today as well carl rujohnson [inaudible] who work closely on this to make it is a comprehensive clear law that really works with dbi and Human Rights Commission so there Accountability Measures that are clear but it is also very reasonable in terms of the process. We have support from gtba, gtra,boma, hotel counsel, Building Inspection Commission and Youth Commission and everyone said it is about time and have done this and why didnt we do it sooner. Dba at early at 2005 had a Department Memo of bathrooms that are jnder neutral. We would love your support today and if it is okay i would love to have witch rich [inaudible] and carl rajohnson come up. Unless you is questions. Commissioner adams i just want to saythank supervisor campos for this legislation t. Is well overdue and i want to compliment on you on this, it the outreach. You went to dbi and golden restaurant association, you went to all the player jz everybody supports this. Including myself, so i just want to thank you and you guys did the right thing and how you got it out there with the public support and thank you. Like i said, this is way long overdue thank rugina as well. One thing we will be doing is providing a fax sheet to insure it is very clear what Small Businesses have to do and it is a ujicational opportunity. We also made it so that it doesnt become implemented until 90 days until the legislation passes so we can insure everyone understand this is a simple change that is meaningful will you make a approved sign available on line so people can doneload and post it. This week ill speak with local sign companies in San Francisco to talk about making the signthere are variations of the sign you can post so we are talking about the signs that are really the most modern [inaudible] all gender for example and so well work with them to make sure it is easily available i think is t is best if it were available for free on your website so we know it suproouved and you can decide i want the fancy metal one or laminated one or print it out myself but i want to know what im buying is the approved format. Todays printing it is easy to for free print out the sign and post it on the single door in the place of work and think that is fair as this is a wind fall for the sign making industry they get to make millions of signs i saw in berkeley where they have the blue sign and they have the one with the sign at the bottom and [inaudible] it was halfand half. Again, if you want to do one that is more graphically appealing that is fine but the bare minimum requirement should be available on line for free and for comparison. We can talk abouti think we should also hear from department of building inspection and or carla aroundsometimes the signage there are certain ada requirements of what is there and because of visual impairments so i think maybe we should heari dont know if carla or richard is the appropriate person to talk about. We get a pitch as a Business Owner every single year from companies that want us to post all the rule jz regulations, all this and that and guess what . It comes with, by the way it is ix 5 dollars for this and 55 dollar for that and those thingerize just words and printed in the proper font and type and language that should be readily available to people. That is my suggestion. We have other commissioner comment so maybe we can get through those first. Thank you, i echo my cocommissioners opinion about the wonderful initiative but i would like to go fl to the nittygritty how to help on the record so we have a understanding of how it applies to Small Business if you bare with me. So, we talking about public accommodations, what is in your opinion could you tell what a public accommodation is . Does it apply to businesses, to buildings, to retail, why dont you define that clearly so we understand. The think we did include a definition, but places where the public goes. We include businesses and schools and included any libraries, any place where the public would be entering and be going into. I think that aligns with state law around public accommodation definition i would like to help you but 121 a 1 and i printed that. When i go over thereit covers all retail, theater, concert hall, stadium, auditorium, bakeries, grocery stores, laundsry mats and covers build ings and professional offices, is that your understand . Uhhuh is there any public place is a exception to your list so it is clear so everybody understands it is a requirement . No. Your understanding there is no exception correct . Correct. We talking about the multiuser toilet facilities are an exception, correct . It says in paragraph that you have in the end it says multiuser tolet system may be identified as all jnder facilities but not required to be all gender. Is that a exception to the ordinance . In other words, if you have a multiusing toilet facilities you dont have a requirement to have a signage this is only for the requirement is only for single room restrooms, hoferb, there are cases now of restaurants that are beginning to do this more and more and choosing to have multigender restrooms that are all gender so we are saying we dont prohibit you from doing that. You can allow to continue. If you are retail with multiuser toilet futilities are you required to have a third bathroom which is gender neutral in your opinion . Because here it says multiuser toilet facilities may be all gender facilities and not required to be all gender. Are we going to have to explain to retail that maybe they may end up having a third bathroom gender neutral . I appreciate it. It is important for retail to know what they center to do in 90 days. What you have to do within 90 days if you have a single room restroom with male or female sign you change the signage to reflect it is all gender. That is all. If and have two bathrooms one male and one female both are all gender. It isnt only you have one restroom that is all gender and use a bthroom for something else. We are not decreasing amount of bathrooms we say maintain the level of bathrooms you have and switch the signage to all gender. There is nothing anyone has to coo with regards to multistalled room. What is the requirement to have a male and female, when do you have the requirement to have a separate male and female restroom . Im trying to find out if there is any case or situation where you would have to have a third bathroom . Under the law, when would you have to have a clear separation male and female toilet or bathroom . Is there anycould you assure us in fact in a situation like this a third bathroom isnt required in your opinion . Are you referring to the multistall restroom i think Building Code is what you are referring to and maybe richard can address that the other question would be could you desinginate a multistall you can. The law says you is it choice but not obligated. You can use either one. Rick halren, the supervisor of Technical Service division at department of building inspection. We assisted the supervisor in developing this ordinance. To answer your question, the requirement for restrooms are dictated by it Building Code title 24 part 2 as well as california plumbing code. There is nowhatever fixture is there they are required to have that is what they are required to have. The ordinance does nt alter that. The only time where i would say they add a single user restroom is under chapter 11 b, 202. 4 palth of travel upgrades which is a volunteer act to add a bathroom in lou of altering the existing sex restrooms but there is no requirement and this ordinance would not require additional restroom or fixture be added. Okay, so to sum up, it is no obligation to add a third bathroom any time . None what so ever unless the Building Code required it for other reasons. If the Building Code require frz other reasons we would do that but on this ordinance no, for not any reason could you give a example where a Building Code would require a third bathroom . If you doing a major alteration and mens and women rooms and have a feasibility altering the two restrooms the july 1 alteration to chapter 11 b allows for separate seperal unisex single user restroom to be installed. If that is the case the restroom would fall into the ordinance and gender neutral for ada. If and are not compliant with ada law you can opt to install a third bathroom that meets the requirements that is only if you alter the existing tenant space. These 2 bathrooms are not ada compliant and have to add a third one . You could add a third one. If you cant make it compliant you have to add a third one. We do roir you provide some accessible restroom. You have to add a third one under this ordinance how would you make it all gender neutral or one of them gender neutral . The ordinance is a single neutral restroom and only required to add one and falls under this and the signage has to indicate it isope toon all genders. Another question i have if i may, how are you going plain all of this to the retail . To all thethose who have to comply, are you planning on sending mailers or is it published and posted on your website . How are you going to get the message out in 90 days . I have been asked by the Deputy Director ed sweeny to develop a brosure on how the ordinance work squz what signage is allowed and demonstrations of them and we will post on that our website as soon as this develops and forward a copy to the oufs of Small Business and distribute best we can from there and provide a copy to the supervisors as well. Before you leave a lot of businesses we talk about also offices, public places, that may apply to building owners so how are you going reach these people, businesses versus Property Owners, how will that pan out is a concern of mine . How do we prevent the people be in violation within 90 days . That is where we are going to be engaging all the stakeholders we have engaged throughout the process and get their help. We will reach out to you in the Small Business commission and make the Information Available at the city agency websites. We want to make sure this is a Educational Opportunity and not difficult for people so they have the Information Available. So, we intend to do outreach and welcome other suggestions. We can share all of the organizations we are plan toog work with and there are other ones we know of we would welcome that information so we can insure that the outreach is sufficient. Commissioner yee riley i think we discussed some of the question i have. This ordinance only apply to single user bathroom . Yes, building or Retail Establishment they have ladies room and mens room they are not required to change the signage . Exactly. These are wheniogo in there is one toilet and sink and you close the door and that is the only bathroom where this is applied i have seen a lot of those in the restaurants. Why is this under the police code rather than the building . This was to insure and i dont know if you want to come to speak to that. This sadis cushion with sity agency. Let me have carla talk to that a little bit. Good afternoon commissioners, carla johnson, director at the Mayors Office on disability and we had quite a lot of discussion about the best place to put the new provision and the police code was chosen because there is some prez dns. We have other provision in the police code enforced by department of building inspection. A good example is the noise ordinance. The reason it isnt in the Building Code really is that the state writers of the Building Code set forth only 3 exceptions for how you can modify the Building Code and you have to justify a lot of [inaudible] to the state Building Code based upon climatic, geo logic or top graphic issues. If you are subject to hurricanes you may modify the Building Code to put in greater resistance to hurricane and earthquakes you can be more seismically robust. Top graphic in San Francisco with all the hills you may make exceptions on that. Since this is a simple and elegant solution to address a equity issue about human rights the police code looked like the cleanest place to put the change. We can use social climate change. I think that is a excellent point to make. This is somewhat of a tsumami. Commissioners any other questions . Okay , Public Comment. I just wanted to add my hole hearted support and the appreciation the supervisor reached out to a variety of stakeholders including Small Business with regina and senior i disability action and the mayor office on disabout. This is a issue that touches all of our core mandate squz a buft blen