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WCBS 60 Minutes August 30, 2015

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And if you think your life is complicated, wait till you hear about jack barskys, who led three of them simultaneously one, as a husband and father; two, as a Computer Programmer and administrator at some top american corporations; and three, as a kgb agent spying on america during the last decade of the cold war. The fbi did finally apprehend him in pennsylvania, but it was long after the soviet union had crumbled. As we first reported in may, what makes jack barskys story even more remarkable is hes never spent a night in jail. The russians declared him dead a long time ago. Hes living a quiet life in upstate new york, and has worked in important and sensitive jobs. Hes now free to tell his story, as honestly as a former spy ever can. Jack barsky who am i . laughs that depends when the question is asked. Right now, im jack barsky. I work in the United States, im a u. S. Citizen, but it wasnt always the case. Kroft how many different identities do you have . Barsky i have two main identities a german one and an american one. Kroft whats your real name . Barsky my real name is jack barsky. Kroft and what name were you born with . Barsky Albrecht Dittrich. Say that three times real fast. Kroft just say it once slowly. Barsky Albrecht Dittrich. Kroft how Albrecht Dittrich became jack barsky is one of the Untold Stories of the cold war, an era when the real battles were often fought between the cia and the kgb. Barsky was a rarity, a soviet spy who posed as an american and became enmeshed in american society. Operational for the kgb, no one in this country knew his real story, not even his family. Did you think you were going to get away with this . Barsky yeah. Otherwise, i wouldnt have done it. laughs kroft what barsky did can be traced back to east germany, back to the days when he was Albrecht Dittrich. A National Scholar at a Renowned University in jena, dittrich was on the fast track to becoming a chemistry professor, his dream job. Barsky didnt work out that way, because i was recruited by the kgb to do something a little more adventurous. Kroft spy . Barsky we called it something different. We used a euphemism. I was going to be a scout for peace. Kroft a kgb scout for peace . Barsky that is correct. The communist spies were the good guys, and the capitalist spies were the evil ones, so we didnt use the word spy. Kroft he says his spying career began with a knock on his dorm room door one saturday afternoon in 1970. A man introduced himself, claiming to be from a prominent barsky he wanted to talk with me about my career, which was highly unusual. I immediately. There was a flash in my head that said, kroft east German Secret Police . Barsky east. East German Secret Police, yeah. Kroft it was a stasi agent. He invited dittrich to this restaurant in jena, where a russian kgb agent showed up and took over the conversation. The kgb liked dittrichs potential because he was smart, his father was a member of the communist party, and he didnt have any relatives in the west. Dittrich liked the attention and the notion he might get to help the soviets. And what did you think of america . Barsky it was the enemy. And. And the reason that the americans did so well was because they exploited all the thirdworld countries. Thats what we were taught and thats what we believed. We didnt know any better. I grew up in an area where you could not receive west german television. It was called the valley of the clueless. Kroft for the next couple of through elaborate tests, and then in 1973, he was summoned to east berlin, to this former soviet military compound. The kgb, he says, wanted him to go undercover. Barsky at that point, i had passed all the tests, so they wanted. They made me an offer. Kroft but you had been thinking about it all along, hadnt you . Barsky thats true with one counterweight, in that you didnt really know what was going to come. How do you testdrive becoming another person . Kroft it was a difficult decision, but he agreed to join the kgb and eventually found himself in moscow, undergoing intensive training. Barsky a very large part of the training was operational work determination as to whether youre being under surveillance; morse code, short wave radio reception. I also learned how to do microdots. A microdot is. You know, you take a picture and make it so small with the use of microscope that you can put it under a postage stamp. Kroft the soviets were american. Dittrich showed a command of english and no trace of an east german accent that might give him away. He learned a hundred new english words every day. Barsky it took me forever. I. I did probably a full year of phonetics training. The difference between hot and hut, right . Thats very difficult and. And most germans dont get that one. The United States . Barsky oh, yeah. Sure. There was new york, there was san francisco, you know. We heard about these places. Kroft your horizons were expanding. Barsky oh, absolutely. Now, im really in the big league, right . laughter kroft dittrich needed an american identity, and one day, a diplomat out of the soviet embassy in washington came across this tombstone just outside of d. C. With the name of a tenyearold boy who had died in 1955. The name was jack philip barsky. Barsky and they said, guess what. We have a birth certificate. Kroft and that was the jack barsky birth certificate. Barsky the jack barsky birth certificate that somebody had obtained and i was given. I didnt have to get this myself. Kroft did you feel strange Walking Around with this identity of a child . Barsky no. No. When you do this kind of work, some things, you dont think about. Because if you explore, you may find something you dont like. Kroft the newly minted jack barsky landed in new york city in the fall of 1978, with a phony back story called a legend and a fake canadian passport that he quickly discarded. The kgbs plan for him was fairly straightforward. They wanted the 29yearold east german to get a real u. S. Passport with his new name, then become a businessman, then insert himself into the upper echelons of american society, and then to get close to National Security adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski so that he could spy on him. Barsky that was the plan. Kroft why . Barsky because i was not given very good instructions with regard to how to apply for a passport. Kroft when he went to apply for a passport at rockefeller center, barsky was thrown off by the list of questions. Barsky specific details about my past, for which i had no proof. So i walked out of it. Kroft did the kgb have a pretty good grasp on the United States and how things worked there . Barsky no. Kroft no . Barsky absolutely not. They made a number of mistakes in terms of giving me advice, what to do, what not to do. They just didnt know. Kroft left to fend for himself in a country the kgb didnt understand, he got himself a cheap apartment and tried to make do with a birth certificate and 6,000 in cash the soviets had given him. His spying career at that point more resembled the bumbling Boris Badenov than james bond. So you were working as a bike messenger. Barsky right. Like a promising position for a spy. Barsky no. But there were a lot of things that i didnt know. Kroft so how close did you ever get to brzezinski . Barsky laughs not very. Kroft to get a Social Security card, which he would need if he wanted a real job, barsky knew he would have to do some acting. Barsky it was unusual for a 30plusyearold person to. To say, you know, i dont have a Social Security card. Give me one. So in order to make my story stick, i made my face dirty so i looked like somebody who just came off a farm. It worked the lady asked me, she said, so how come you dont. You dont have a card . And when the answer was, i didnt need one. Why . Well, i worked on a farm. And that was the end of the interview. Kroft the Social Security card enabled him to enroll at Baruch College in manhattan, where he majored in computer systems. He was class valedictorian, but you wont find a picture of him in the school yearbook. In 1984, he was hired as a insurance, where he had access to the personal information of millions of americans. You were writing computer code . Barsky right, yes. Lots of it. And i was really good at it. Kroft what he didnt write, he stole, on behalf of the kgb. What was the most valuable piece of information you gave them . Barsky i would say that was the computer code, because it was a very prominent piece of Industrial Software still in use today. Kroft this was ibm code . Barsky no comment. Kroft you dont want to say . Barsky no. It was good stuff. Lets put it this way, yeah. Kroft it was helpful to the soviet union. Barsky it. It wouldve been helpful to the soviet union and their running organizations and. And factories and so forth. Kroft how often did you communicate with the russians . Barsky i would get a radiogram once a week. Kroft a radiogram, meaning . Barsky a radiogram means a transmission that was on a certain frequency at a certain time. Kroft every thursday night at 9 15, barsky would tune into his short wave radio at his apartment in queens and listen for a transmission he believed came from cuba. Barsky all the messages were encrypted that they became digits. And the digits would be sent over as. In groups of five. And sometimes, that took a good hour to just write it all down, and then another three hours to decipher. Kroft during the ten years he worked for the kgb, barsky had a readymade cover story. When somebody would ask you, you know, where you from, jack . Whatd you say . Barsky im originally from new jersey. Thats it. American nobody ever questioned that. People would question my. You have an accent. But my comeback was, yeah, my mother was german and we spoke a lot of german at home. Kroft you had to tell a lot of lies. Barsky absolutely. I was living a lie. Kroft were you a good liar . Barsky the best. Kroft you had to be a good liar to juggle the multiple every two years while he was undercover for the kgb, barsky would return to east germany and moscow for debriefings. During one of his visits to east berlin, he married his old girlfriend gerlinde and they had a son. Did that complicate matters . Barsky initially, it wasnt complicated at all. It got complicated later. Kroft because . Barsky because i got married in the United States to somebody else. laughter kroft did she know about your other wife in germany . Barsky no. Kroft did your wife in germany know about the. Barsky not at all. Kroft so you had two wives. Barsky i did. Im. I was officially a bigamist. Thats. Thats the one thing i am so totally not proud of. Kroft being a spy was all right. laughter being a bigamist. Barsky in hindsight, you know, i was a spy for the wrong people. But. But i. This one hurt, because i had promised my german wife that, you know, we would be together forever. And i broke that promise. And the one way i can explain it to myself is i had separated the german, the dittrich, from the barsky to the point where the two just didnt know about each other. Kroft not only did he have two different identities and two wives, he had a son named matthias in germany and a daughter named chelsea in america. And by november 1988, a radiogram from the kgb would force him to make an excruciating choice. Barsky i received a radiogram that essentially said, you need to come home. Your cover may soon be broken and youre in danger of being arrested by the american authorities. Kroft barsky was given urgent instructions from the kgb to locate an oil can that had been dropped next to a fallen tree just off this path on new yorks staten island. A fake passport and cash that he needed to escape the United States and return to east germany would be concealed inside the can. Barsky i was supposed to pick up the container and go on, leave. Not even go back home to the apartment, just disappear. The container wasnt there. I dont know what i would have done if i had found it, but i know what i did when i didnt find it. I did not tell them, repeat the operation. I made the decision to stay. Kroft why . Barsky because of chelsea. Kroft your daughter. Barsky yes. If chelseas not in the mix, thats a no brainer. Im out of here. Kroft barsky had chosen barsky i had bonded with her. It was a tough one because, on the one hand, i had a wife and a child in germany, but if i dont take care of chelsea, she grows up in poverty. Kroft this may be a little harsh, but it sounds like the first time in your life that you thought about somebody besides yourself. Barsky youre absolutely right. I was quite an egomaniac. I was. Kroft jack barsky was still left with the not insignificant matter of telling the kgb that he was staying in america. In a moment, well tell you how he duped the kgb, and how the fbi changed his life. Cbsmoneywatch up a date sponsored by lincoln financial, calling all chief life officers. Good evening, the Italian Energy company says it discovered a super giant natural gas off the coast of egypt, puerto rico is delaying the debt reform plan because of storm damage and disney produces more star war toys later this week. If you have moderate to severe Rheumatoid Arthritis like me. And youre talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic, this is humira. This is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. This is humira helping me reach for more. 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And he was taking a bigger chance that the kgb wouldnt retaliate for disobeying an order. The urgency with which the soviets seemed to view the situation became clear one morning in queens. Jack barsky says he was on his way to work in december 1988, standing and waiting for an a train on this subway platform when a stranger paid him a visit. Barsky theres this character in. In a black coat, and he sidles up to me and he whispers in my ear, he says, you got to come home or else youre dead. And then he walked out. Kroft russian accent . Barsky yes. Kroft thats an incentive. Barsky its an incentive to go. Kroft i mean, spies get killed all the time. Barsky they do. But not me. The entire time, i always had this childlike belief that everything would be all right. Kroft so what are you going to tell the russians. Barsky well, i. I sent them this dear john letter, the goodbye letter in which i stated that i had contracted aids, and that the only way for me to get a treatment would be in the United States. Kroft you just wrote the

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