Reported and known that the french have seen many people leaving their country going to terrorist training sites and returning almost on a regular basis and then they are supposed to be monitored. And we hear that the monitoring doesnt go so well. What do you know about that . Well, we know that and several european countries, not just france, the system of letting people in and out is very liberal. We have the european community, et cetera. And you have a porous borders where people could quite easily come in from the middle east, eastern europe, where theres also Training Camps come in and out and very easily come in and basically assimilate with the rest of the culture with the rest of the country and just lay in perhaps like this one. This is Marcia Kramer again. I wonder if you think if events like this also serve to help whatever organizations are involved to recruit people to their cause. Absolutely. Any success that they have as you know, any success that these folks have, this is a huge recruiting tool for them. They will put this on their internet. They will put this on the web. And they will make sure that the world knows what organization this attack belongs to and that it was successful and that more people should join their cause and they appeal to young people who believe in something in that this is so romantic cause that they should join when its really a culture of violence and death. And this is what we need to country and in our allied countries that this is not a society and organization whichever this is, al qaeda, isis, et cetera, that you want to belong in. This is ultimately going to lead to their demise. So manny, we have talk about what the nypd is doing right now. What is the fbi doing right now . The fbi is certainly talking to all their informants, their human assets, to see if theres anything going on that they heard about in the local area or nationally or even internationally because just like the nypd is embedded internationally, the fbi has been overseas for many years. And so they are looking at whatever intelligence is around to indicate that there may be another attack, whether its overseas, with our allies or certainly within the United States. Manny, if you could stand by. I want to introduce tony colonel in the army and he is joining us now also by phone. Lieutenantcolonel, thank you for joining us. Sure. What are you thoughts on whats happening . Your other guest was talk the first thing we have to do is start examining the layers of whats going on here. First off, the patterns, looking for similar patterns on our side of the pond. We have to be vigilant on this. And most importantly, we have to figure out who is involved, why they are involved, and try to go about answering the basic interrecognizives of why this is happening again. We had Charlie Hebdo this year and now this larger attack. Id like to probably speculate here a bit that whoever did the people behind the hebdo attack, watch very carefully, watch the response of French Security and they this attack is greater, its larger. They are learning rapidly. The whole point is to as much as this is going to hurt isis . I believe its isis . Im speculatinherbut i think its going to hurt the terrorist Organization Behind it because this is going to create a great deal of resolve behind the International Community including us to be more vigilant and more aggressive against those people trying to using islam as a method of perpetrating violence. Why do you say isis and not al qaeda . Two things. I think it could be a joint op. Hebdo was a joint op. According to one of the intelligence people i talk to they said one of the isis terror feeds they monitor picture of paris burning. Now, we dont know if thats because of the attack or something that was related to the attack but isis is good at doing two things first using social media to basically build themselves up and use that to recruit so no matter what happens here they will secondly, if it is them, we have to recognize that they have been masters of they are very well financed. They are very well armed. And money can buy you a lot of access. So this attack today, this was not a spur of the moment thing. This was three different locations possibly more, according to one of my sources suicide bombers were involved. They attacked a stadium involving the president of france. And this was all done simultaneously. This tells me this was rehearsed. These targets were all what we call cased. And in the end, this was like [ indiscernible ] [ inaudible ] so this was no small thing. Colonel, what about the still Ongoing Investigation of the plane that went down recently, um, that took off from Sharm Elsheikh in egypt . Right. There was word that isis was involved in that attack. Could this be a series of of attacks that now they are just stepping up, um, in regards to how often they are making these types of statements . Reporter i think so. This is i say this on another network that my judgment is isis is becoming expeditionary. Because of the very things well funded and organized. They are looking to get into the International Community havoc. Lets remember the other thing thats going on is the unchecked stream of refugees into europe. According to the people i talked to theres probably between 15 to 20 of folks who are in that refugee stream who are terrorists. We dont know whats going on behind the scenes. We know who is behind this the scope is immense. People already dead. We are talking about hostages being held at least one location. And the question then becomes, what more is coming . Lets remember Charlie Hebdo was an operation executed over several days. I think it was a threeday period where the events were all linked to this event itself. We could be well looking at something that goes on for days. I dont know that for a fact. But thats something to be vigilant for as we start looking at whats going on. And you talk about the Charlie Hebdo case. 17 people were killed over those three days, lieutenant colonel. Right. Talk to us about the French Security. We got into that a little bit with the prior guest. But your take on the way the french are looking at terrorism and protecting their country prior to today. Well, they have a very effective counterterrorism organization. They are up there with our delta force and with the special air service. They are security profession analysis. The problem is this. Without they are security professionals. The problem is this, without intelligence you cant do anything. This is good oldfashioned spying. Our job is to figure out a way that intelligence to penetrate the network. This is where we fail. We have been too dependent on intelligence. The new bond movie talks about how were, you know, they overrely on drones. Thats the very problem of what were doing right now. Network. To defeat a Terror Network you mutt penetrate the network. Simply using drones and other things to assassinate people will not defeat the network. It will always grow back. So this is my big concern the French Security services apparently did not penetrate the network and destroy the the network sufficiently after the Charlie Hebdo attack if its terrorrelated which i believe it is. I dont think any criminal organization would have the resources or intention to do an attack of this scale. So this may well be that network which the french didnt go far enough to defeat because obviously, you know, todays attacks are horrific. They are expansive and frankly this is something that we have to be vigilant of because if isis continues to expand and im going out on a limb here, i understand, i believe isis had some role in this, i think we have to be vigilant here at home for the similar type of attacks. Speak of drones, you talk about the use of drones. The United States used a drone, its reported in taking out jihad john and its confirmed they got him. Right. The chances of this being retaliation for that . Um, i dont believe so. Heres why. Todays attack was well planned. And im not going to say it wouldnt be related. Jihadi johns death may have been a trigger event but with that said, this attack has been planned for months. You dont have people with this level of sophistication, this level of armament decide one morning we are going to go do this. These people have rehearsed and cased the sites. They knew exactly where to go and what time of day to do it. That doesnt happen because across the planet. With that said, its very clear the pentagon is now examining our strategy on isis. And they are actually within the last 30 days have taken on a more aggressive posture to go after isis. But with that said, i think its necessary for the pentagon to get more serious and look at its tactics. With that said i dont believe at this point that the jihad john thing was the stimulus. It may have been the trigger but it was not the stimulus. This attack has been in the planning for months. Colonel, why these three areas to target . We do know that, um, the president of france was at the stadium. We dont know whether or not he was a target but why the music hall and why the restaurant . Why these three specific locations . Two reasons i know of. First off they are soft targets. These are not military targets. Therefore, there would be little resistance. Clearly that was the case. So part of the job of terrorists is to terrorize and clearly this was a master stroke of hitting a soft target. Secondly, i do believe that the attack against the stadium was symbolic and was meant to essentially be done at the time it was by the fact that the french president was there. And i think by the fact that it was so bold and frankly lets be honest here if president obama was in an event here in the United States where a terrorist event happened we would be to be looking at firing a bunch of people because theres no way any terrorist attack could come anywhere within a mile of again something the French Security service is going to have to look at very hard because again, you know, the fact that the president was in the stadium that was attacked, that to me is a symbolic target and i think whoever did this attack meant to send a signal to the french government by the fact that the french president was there at the event. Colonel, we know from prior intelligence that al qaeda and isis have been telling their people when they strike they sporting events. They in fact in new york said maybe the open tennis tournament. But they have said that sporting events and places where you have lots of people were a good place to attack because it spreads fear and terror. Do you think that was in their thinking when they attacked the soccer game . Reporter yes, i think by Charlie Hebdo they learned the weaknesses about going about doing that. Theres no doubt that their intention was to max mike we are still . The dark here about how many people have been killed today. This was a mass casualty event for purposes of maximum number of people. Frankly, we dont know i was on another interview what do you think is going to be happening to the hostages . Are they going to attempt a rescue my judgment is there is no negotiatic. Whoever took the hostages may buy some time to draw attention to them but i dont think is going to come out of there alive if the terrorists have their way. As we watch these pictures its maddening and frustrating that here we go again. These guys have done this again. What should the voter, the citizen, think, um, what should we expect our leaders to be doing when it comes to going after isis and as they like to put it elected officials, eradicating this its a three level challenge. Right up front. Believes we should put u. S. Boots on the ground to do that. If we get involved well be the issue. So we have to work with local allies such as the kurds and turks to finish regaining lost space. Terrorists are drawn to space. This is the danger of leaving syria to fester. An ungoverned space is dominated by terrorists isis. Same in libya. This is the first thing is work with our allies to bring back governance to the spaces. This is where the russians are helping us right now. We have to figure out the root cause of this. This is not the first time this happened. We had al qaeda about 15 years ago. Now we have this. We have to look at the roots driving that. We have not done well in this war on terror to figure out root causes. The thing about this, we have battle. We win on the battlefield but they keep coming back. So lets go to the root cause. Third we have to be vigilant about the refugee stream and who may come here. As much as we wanted to be great stewards of people who need help we have to not jeopardize our citizens by being nice to others. This is where we have to be a lot more vigilant and a lot more astute on how we go about trying to help those refugees find new homes and essentially make sure the terrorists dont come through the pipeline. We have heard from officials that there is no credible threat to anyone here in the United States. I have to wonder when i listen to you about how you believe this particular attack today in paris has been, you know, in the works for months given the sophistication for it, behind the scenes, u. S. Officials must be very concerned. [ inaudible ] is radicalized americans who are either close to or very much aligned with isis. A smattering of prosecutions and i i admire the fbi director comey doing his job but they have to be right 100 of the time, the terrorists we have to look carefully at what happened in this attack. Who was involved . What was the negatives of moving weapons around . What were the intentions and that sort of thing. We enjoy the fact we can go to soccer games an all these other things meaning to do us harm. People like comey and the pentagon are working 24 7 to prevent attacks on our soil. Im almost hearing you we need to change the way we security our restaurants and stadiums. Do we need to be an armed encampment . I think you misinterpreted what im saying. We have to be more aggressive on our intelligence collection. We do a good job of screening now. We need to penetrate the network. As i said, i dont think the french defeated the network that did the Charlie Hebdo attack . So therefore it came back stronger resilient and so what im saying is we have to use the good oldfashioned human intelligence the old penetration of the network and we are talking about some very dangerous stuff here, cia, bod, case offices going about to recruit people to spy for us in those networks to tell us whats going on. Thats what we need to focus on to get back to the basics. I think this other stuff i dont think for a minute the americans should give up one amount of freedom. I think we need to go harder against terrorism than before. When you say penetrating of the networks and you dont advise boots on the ground and the president has stated he doesnt wanted to do that. But were not just talking about penetrating Ground Forces and informants there. We are also talking about war and, you know. Right. And all of the encryption deciphering what is being said. Well, that is part of issue here. You know, terrorist organizations are the first to adapt new technology. We learned this in the 90s working against drug cartels. They are always a step ahead of us because they use encryption. They were able to basically information. We couldnt see where they encrypted their information. Same with isis. They are using cyberspace and we are targeting people by cyberspace, as well. They are very astute and learn very fast. So this is where we have to have the best and brightest working at cyber command. I have been working with the army work Office Something called [ indiscernible ] how to look at getting the balance right between getting the right people involved and and actually fighting this as a real threat. But youre absolutely correct. And the other thing is, you know, isis is very good with social media. We talked about earlier, they know how to use social media. They know how to advertise. They know how to recruit. And they are unlike al qaeda. [ indiscernible ] they understand the system they are dealing with. Thats why we have to get serious about dealing with them now before they are able to do more damage to our allies or to our own interests. Okay. Lieutenantcolonel tony shaffer from the army, thank you so much for your insights. Really appreciate it. Shed a lot of light for us we follow the situation from paris. Mass shootings and hostages taken and killings different venues tonight. Tony aiello has been gathering information and has it from the newsroom. Reporter the death toll is at least 35 people. A flight night in the city of light disrupted by terror several attacks that happened more or less simultaneously. At a theater called the bataclan an unknown number of people were killed and dozens more were taken hostage. There was a concert there tonight. A Southern California band called eagles of death metal. Another 11 people were killed in an attack at a restaurant called [ indiscernible ] armed with rifles at the restaurant. Also tonight, at the sta dee france, a soccer match between france and germany was under way when this happened. [ explosion ] reporter you can hear the explosion rock the stadium. French president hollande was at the match. The stadium was evacuated. A series of coordinated attacks have been taken place in the french capital. President obama used the word terrorists when he spoke to the nation a short time ago. We are going to do whatever it takes to work with the french and nations around the world to bring these terrorists to justice. And to go after terrorist networks that go after our people. Reporter in just the last few moments we have learned that cbs news now is reporting at least 60 people dead in paris. This is from a cbs producer well known in the intelligence and just community. She tells us that a senior Law Enforcement official said the fbi is offering whatever help is needed to france. The fbi is meeting with french Law Enforcement at this time. New York City PoliceOfficials Say that the nypd is stepping up security at all high profile locations in the city as a precaution. The nypd