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No, your honor, i tender the witness. No, questions, your honor, but i request a sidebar. Come on up. What do i do . What is it now, counselor . Your honor, we have a new piece of evidence that would require a short overnight recess. A new piece . Really . My gosh. Dramatics, your honor. What is this new piece . We believe the dna was transferred through a paramedics gurney. Come on. Seriously . There is precedent for this. An oakland man was convicted of firstdegree murder and spent two years in prison before it was overturned. Precedent . conversation continues indistinctly Mission District by the black angels playing . . polmar laughs will speaks indistinctly . You only love yourself. . . . gavel bangs loudly, music stops diane your honor, at the very most, this is a dui. Thats all. My client is a respected businessman. Hes shown a clear sense of. distant gunshot people clamoring in distance gunshot gunshot, woman screams people clamoring shots fired at cook county courthouse. gunshot everyone stay put. clamoring, screaming in distance what is this . clattering, woman screams whats going on . I dont know. Wills court. I know. Look, stay here. panicked shouting man stay down gunshots, woman screams alarm beeping orders to lock this down. How many . I dont know. I only saw one, but there might others. Did the lawyers get out . Where are they . I think one ran behind the judges bench, but there could be two others. Will damn it, kalinda, back off my boss is in there. Dont shoot hey, hands in the air down get down dont shoot polmar ive got someone in here i need help over here sheriff were coming for you just hang tight no, no, we dont know where they are. Man she said she saw him heading behind the bench. I have swat on its way. We wait here. How many shots were fired . Tactically, we dont know how many. It could have been anybody. Negative, havent seen him yet. Have them get back to me. Polmar we got blood loss i cant wait operations, seal the exit. We need a bus forthwith. Kalinda damn it get back here indistinct radio transmission alarm beeping, gun dry firing alarm continues p. Will paramedics ambulance horn blares indistinct radio transmission excuse me, could you. Hi. Where is he . Theythey took him in there a few minutes ago. Is he all right . I dont know. Im sorry. Excuse me. Um. Have you seen will gardner . He was one of the people shot in the courthouse. Im sorry. Those arent my patients. Do you know where he is . No. I can find out for you. Just wait here. indistinct announcement over p. A. man we got you, son. Man youre gonna be all right, buddy. His family, his sisters, i have to call them. Um, ill do that. No, i will. Alicia . speed dialing man over speaker at this time, id like to ask you all to please take your seats. 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Its the only thing that takes the pain away. a la schwarzenegger you need to call the governor. Get on the phone tell him to pass a law a la porky pig or his, aaa, dadada, wife. normal voice Alicia Florrick, shes a good sport. audience laughs phone buzzing imagine if the governor got a little high and had to talk to his wife. Hed be like, honey, im stoned. Kalinda . I got him. Uh, eli. Uh, ii need to talk to alicia. Shes on the dais. She cant come now. Whats wrong . Ii need to talk to her, eli. Kalinda, shes in the middle of the correspondents luncheon. Eli, wills dead. continues indistinctly there was a shooting in the courthouse, and he got caught up in the crossfire. I need to speak to alicia. audience laughing yes. Just a second. Youre going to eat it. Its gonna be good, ja. You know, youre going to chomp on it, ja, and then you get all crazy in the head. continues indistinctly theres a call for you. Now . Yes. You have to take it. Eli, what is it . When you Start Talking about medical marijuana. continues indistinctly audience laughing comedian continues indistinctly, audience laughs hello . Captioning sponsored by cbs and toyota. Honey nut cheerios get their delicious taste from honest ingredients. Honey. Ahhh, there we go. Were back to honey again. Whos directing this . That guy, figures. Honey nut cheerios get their delicious taste from honest ingredients. Like real delicious honey, ney. Ahhh, there we go. Were back to honey again. Whos directing this . That guy, figures. Dickerson welcome back the face the nation. Im john dickerson. For more on where National Security stands 15 years after the attacks of 9 11, were joined by cbs news senior National Security analyst and former Homeland Security adviser to george bush fran townsend. Steven brill contributes to the atlantic and is the author of this months cover story, are we any safer. And Jeffrey Goldberg writes for the atlantic and hes also a visiting fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for international peace. Steve, i want the start with you. Article, are we any safer, and i apologize, but can you boil it down into an answer . In only 20 words. Well, were along stronger because of the work of the people like fran did and tens of thousands of others and the trillions of dollars we spent. We strengthened our defense, but the nature of the threat has changed and evolved in a way that arguably in many ways makes us less safe. Adapting to that environment that steve describeed . Youll appreciate, john, what happens is we never adapt fast enough. As you heard from the chairman of the intelligence committee, the threat has metastasized and spread. We have more bad guys in more different places now. Thats a significant threat. You add to that the internet and the radicalization that happens over the internet, even very late to that game as a government across two administrations, frankly, and we dont treat the internet as a battle space as we this land, air and sea. Dickerson jeffrey . Go ahead. Let me just say there are some old kinds of threats that we could deal with, because the threat has evolved to lone wolfe, people acting 9 11ly, the one thing that one of the Political Parties doesnt seem the want to do when it comes to Homeland Security is do what most other countries do, which is keep assault weapons, military w terrorists. That is one easy way to adapt that doesnt cost us money and that is logical and works. Dickerson jeffrey, let me ask you on this broader question, barack obama came into office with a certain set of challenges. In terms of the are we any safer question, what does barack obama leave for his successor on that question . So barack obama came in with what he would refer to as a very crisis, 180,000 troops in afghanistan and iraq, bin laden alive. And hes been preoccupied and his administration has been preoccupied with handing off to his successor a clean barn. The barn is not that clean, unfortunately. You have vast ungoverned spaces, even though isis is being rolled back in iraq and syria to some degree. You have isis, an organization that didnt even exist when he became president , new forms of terrorism, on the other hand, you have to say this, and you say this about george w. Bush, too, after 9 11 its somewhat miraculous, but we have not had a 9 11sized terror attack in the United States. And i do think thats somewhat miraculous given how far behind we were. So he is not handing off a perfect situation to his successor, but it is a manageable situation still i think. Miraculous, but the miracle didnt just happen. Its because of the work that make it happen. I think we ought to acknowledge that today. Dickerson let me ask you, you write in your piece, our imagination is limited to the days headlines. Policymakers fight the war that made those headlines, not the war that might come next. You mentioned assault weapons. Thats something thats been talked about and debated. But whats not in the headlines that people should be thinking about . Lets take something that was very much in the headlines right after 9 11, the bioterror threat. The aax that is if anything more of a threat today than it was 15 years ago, but we have done nothing to develop technology that could really detect that kind of attack because it just happened to fall out of the headlines. Dickerson fran, what do you think of that . Well, i think in fairness, across the w. M. D. Spectrum, where youre talking about radiological, nuclear or chemical, we have taken different pieces of that and comprehensive way that steve is talking about. Part of that is the tyranny of the inbox. No president plans on katrina. No president plans on 9 11. So the distraction of the everyday crisis takes away from the more Strategic Plan that needs to be done. I do think, i come back to this. We cant kill our way out of this problem, no matter how much progress weve made in killing bin laden and other leaders, the fact is you have to address the ideology. I dont think weve done an nor have we spent the adequate resources against that problem. Dickerson jeffrey, getting to that question of ideology, we talked about ungoverned spaces. During the immediate aftermath of 9 11, we have to get them over there or theyll come over here. Whats the state of that argument . Is that still useful . Is it still the worry . I mean, its a useful framework to talk about this, but to add to what steve was problem, if you have an internet problem, selfradicalization through the internet, then the people were fighting are often people in the United States who dont even know at this moment that theyre radicalized. They havent been radicalized yet some going to what fran is talking about, this is the danger. We are safer in a sort of broad bureaucratic way that our defenses have been strengthened. We spent a trillion dollar strengthening those defenses, but we have no answer yet for the ideologies that ral people right here at home. And this is the danger. We are both safer and more unsafe at the same time. Its not a satisfying answer, but i think its the correct answer. Glad you didnt write my headline. Dickerson sorry. We had a little news here. Ill interrupt. Hillary clinton left the events at ground zero unexpectedly today. The Campaign Says she felt overheated and went to her daughters apartment and is feeling much better. But a person briefed on the matter tells cbs news that it appears she fainted when she got learn more. Steve, i want to go back to you on this question of the tyranny of the inbox. You studied a lot of complicate ed systems. Lets find some. Is there optimism . In other words, in a system where theres tyranny of inbox, you talked to jeh johnson, and he said, you know, we have to prioritize risks. Is there a way to break out of that tyranny of the inbox . Well, you have to have the capacity to take a step back at the same time that you about what is in your inbox. I think increasingly from 9 11 on, the Bush Administration made all kinds of management improvements as they learned. The Obama Administration i think has done a much better job of jeh johnson being the one secretary who is finally getting his arms around the management of this agency. But it is really hard because where at any moment you could have an emergency that you have to Pay Attention to. To have someone writing an article in the atlantic saying, you should worry about dirty bombs because they are a potential threat, youre looking at that mornings intel briefing that tells you exactly what that threat is that day. Thats a hard thing to balance. Dickerson finally, on the social media piece, fran, you said not enough is being done. If i were coming in and i were recommendation that i do right away . Look at what we spend on our military and on the physical battle space to go after the ungoverned and fully governed spaces and look at what youre spending to combat it on the internet. The answer is its so disproportionate you have to really make the commitment that this is a battle space that youre going to fight to control and fight to win in terms of the ideology. If youre not going to spend it there, youre not going to win there. Dickerson what would you spend it on . Its across a spectrum of operations and offensive operations. Some of is is covert, some is overt. You need to have the full you need to have the full spectrum. Dickerson all right. Dickerson all right. Well end it there. Thanks to all of you. Well be right back with our political family. Brakes are getting warm. Confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. Understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. Safety doesnt come in a box. Its not a banner that goes on a wall. Its not something you do now and then. Or when its convenient. Its using stateoftheart simulators to better prepare for any situation. Its giving offshore teams onshore support. And its empowering anyone to stop a job at bp, safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. Dickerson we turn now to politics. Joining us is wall street column fist and cbs news contributor peggy noonan. Jamelle bouie is chief political contributor for slate magazine