You know, i care about it being faithful to the book, and it is very faithful to the story. It is just well done, very moving at times, you know, you get choked up occasionally, you get scared occasionally. It is a courtroom drama. Rose , you know, a couple of things about history, as i mentioned in the introduction, it was not a huge best seller time to kill when it first came out. They printed 5,000. Rose 5,000. Hardback copies and no more. Rose and then after the next one, and then the firm, everybody wants to see if there is anything else in the closet. The firm was 18 months after time to kill, and became a best killer and rekindled interest in time to kill we still couldnt get books printed but pelican brief came out and finally the time to kill began selling, and in and in the first wave of movies came in 1994, i remember looking at the New York Times best seller list and the movies of the firm, pelican brief and client has just been released in the previous twelve months, and they were all big movies, and so all those books were back in paperback. The novel in 1994 was the chamber, in hard book back, it was number one, time to kill was number one in paper so we had like four or five books in the top of the list, i think this is pretty crazy stuff, but time to kill was outselling all of them eventually, finally. Rose why is that . Is it the root of all of them this is it sort of the i mean it clearly was the first. Is it you know what people say, i mean, you discovered magic in a bottle there, you know, at the beginning, but, you know, what you have is man against the system. Sure. Rose the loner. It is the story. Rose small town lawyer. Very dramatic story. A father whose little girl get raped and takes matter into his own hands. Rose tell me, describe jake for me. Rose who is jake . Well, when i srted writing jake 30 years ago, he was very autobiographical. Rose he was you . Well, pretty much so, yeah, because he and i live rose you in what way . Well i am a small town lawyer in mississippi, struggling to find more clients and plenty of competitors. Rose a little bit of politics. A little bit of politics, a beautiful young wife, having babies and dreams and all of this kind of stuff and wondering if the law was going to be our ticket to where we wanted to go. Rose in mississippi. That, politics, but just the daily grind of trying to eke out a living in a small town street lawyer. It is tough. Not just in the south, all over america, there is competition, as i said the competition is pretty fierce. Rose what was he like . What did he think . What made him mad . You know, rose loyal to his wife. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, in a very honest, upstanding guy who might funnel a little bit on the rules because the other guys are fudging but not much. Ethical, honest, a big dreamer, wants something bigger, he wants to be a trial lawyer, wanting a big trial, a big high profile, big dream rose you are talking about a big case where everybody is watching. And he got it. He got it. Thats what i wanted to do. Never got that far. Rose you wanted also about halfway through that career, i got the bug to write, and so i was still about 30 years old when i got this bug to write what became a time to kill. Rose but a time to kill was based on some story you knew. Oh, yeah a couple of stories i heard about. It inlved trials i knew about, i heard about through, you know, the local lower. And i pieced together this plot and i said this will be a very compelling courtroom drama, but if you take issue of what would a father do if he got if he decided to get his own revenge what would happen . And how would a jury react to it an that was the big issue. Rose and they let him off . Well, they didnt in the time to kill, i a i am not sure i think they could probably do that 30 years ago. I am not sure about today. Tremendous amount of sympathy for the dad, and. Rose and done you bad and you ought to have some form of revenge. Somebody raped your little girl it will drive you crazy, yeah. Rose all right. So there is a time to kill which is now, was made into a movie and now been made into a play so it has been a novel, a movie and now a play. Uhhuh. Rose and the damned interesting play we say, watching the premiere, you watched it i havent seen it yet. Sycamore row, which is sycamore row, which is a place where what happens . Well three years after a time to kill. Rose jake is back on the case. Jake has another big trial, and it is back in clanton, 1988. Four cellphones, bent it is hard to write that now, there is no google so we go back to the dark ages of 1988 and jake has another big trial and rose jake has not been fabulous since he time to kill. Jake is still struggling, he worries he had his pinnacle and big moment. He wants the next big case. And the klan burns his wife down so he and his wife are living in a cramped rent house because rental house because they are suing the insurance company, he is still a good guy and dreaming and all of that but things didnt turn out the way he thought they might after the hayley trial he got paid nine hundred bucks for hayley and lost his house, almost lost his he gave his Closing Argument in a time to kill in the bar suit because he was, borrowed suit because he is out of everything and here he is threeyear later, still struggling and still trying to catch up to where he was. Rose right. And suddenly he has a real big case. Rose and this is a very interesting story because you have got this guy who had a bunch of money. Yeah. Rose he is found hung. Uhhuh. Rose and we think maybe the caretaker . Kind of well, the opening chapter is a guy commits suicide and dying of cancer and in tremendous pain, 71 years old. Rose hangs himself. He hangs himself, and that happened on a sunday morning when jake gets to the office on monday in the mail, he receives a letter from this guy who just killed himself, never met him. Rose right. And the guy says i want you to represent my estate, i have a lot of money and nobody knows about it and here is my last will and testament, all handwritten. I cut out my family. Rose exactly. I dont want my kids to get anything and i am leaving everything to my black housekeeper jake doesnt know these people and they are from another art of the county and the guy it turns out was incredibly secret about his money, dealings, assets and all of that and so jake suddenly has this mystery and in has a very big case and in mississippi, as in many states will contest or play out before juries. And so here we go. We go down this rose the housekeeper versus the family. Yeah. So off we go in a trial with all of the scheming and co conniving and back stabbing and throat cutting. Rose are you happy i want goes to trial you have written a lot of other things but are you happiest in is that when you are getting up in the morning and you are going to write about a trial . Not really. No . Charlie, most trials are pretty dull. Rose really . And if you do it accurately you see a lot of stuff on television in movies, it is not that accurate and they get by with it and they have to do it to jazz it up but when you write about a trial, civil or criminal, most of them they take enormous amounts of time and you cant just sit there as a writer page after page after page of dull testimony, whatever so you have got to kind of you have to keep the pages turning and writing about trials, it is pretty challenging. I dont really like to do that. Rose not very many perry mason moments . You cant create them and in real life, no it doesnt happen that way. And you just cant write a lot of litigation. It is not a whole lot of fun. Some of before you get to trial, some of the maneuvering by the lawyer and all of that kind of stuff can be very compelling and fun to read, but the actual courtroom stuff, jury deliberations is just not that interesting, and tough to make it interesting. Rose back to the time to kill i want to take a look at this. Did you have anything to do with the casting of sebastian and tom and all of these people . Nothing . Nothing. No, once i read Rupert Holmes play i said this works, i would love to see this play go. Okay . We signed a contract at some point and i dont even know what is in the contract and they took off with it, rupert did all the work and writing and here we are. Rose okay. So this is a play where Karl Lee Hayley played by john daly asked his attorney jake, played by sebastian a sell lsu what he would have done if it had been his daughter who was raped and almost killed. Take a look at this. If this were your daughter, what would you do . I dont know, i dont know what i would do. Kill him . I am sure i would want to. You are from california. You just told me you would do it. Black men dont get to kill black boys. Hey, hey, hey, this is a white county. With a little luck i will get a all white jury. Most jury would give me a prize. And it is different from me . It would be much harder to win in a courtroom. You could get me off . Listen, maybe not. And i would be home playing my hand while while you are signing who is going to watch out for your daughter then . I just got one question, will you meet me jail, at the jail when they arrest me . There is also this. Politics in washington. Last time you were here you were a little bit disappointed by washington, you must be really disappointed by now. You know, i watched the circus in washington and i keep thinking, there has got to be a good novel here somewhere, a really good political novel that i would love to write, but i havent found the story yet. There is so much there are so many bad guys and idiots, you, it is almost lake you are picking on them because they are so helpless. Rose you dont need to do this, to write a good political story. One thing that bugs me not, about washington is just not the gridlock into between the two parties and both of them are guilty, it is the rise of the lobbying class and this huge amount of money that is being paid to lobbyists to manipulate the government. You know, you have to really wonder and ask, is this a democracy anymore . This is like a pseudo democracy, because. Half of the people are not even registered, those who are registered only half of those go vote and the one who do vote, how many are led astray by, you know, slick campaigns and all of that and once they elect these people to congress, you know, they immediately consume with the lobbyist whose have the big checkbooks and wonder are we really getting a Representative Government . And those are the things i think about and how could you have some fun with that in a novel . I dont know. I am still working on it. Great to have you. Always fun. Rose back in a moment, stay with us. And what you are also trying to feel at this point is you have to ensure at this point that you are still pushing into the ground, because we want to create that couple of forces inbetween the feet that are going to end up being allowing us to create more power in the through swing, from that into position, i am just combining the take away with the body tilting and the held not moving. Rose sean foley is here, he is widely regarded as one of the best golf instructors if not the best in the game. His clients include four of the top 25 players in the world, lee westwood, justin rose and tiger woods. Rose won the uh u. S. Open in june. His he was on the cover of i am pleased to have sean foley at this table for the first time, welcome. I am plead to be here, thanks, charlie. Rose when did you know you wanted to be a golf instructor or a coach as you call it. At a young age i looked at what my dad was doing and what my neighbors were doing, and i look at these guys who went to a golf course every day, everyone loved them and respected them and basically just sat on a driving range and helped people, so at a young age some of the canadian greats i got to be a part of and i owe it all to my father, Jack Mclaughlin from British Columbia who was just in the canadian hall of fame and ben kern who but sponsored on the pga tour by lee trevino and a disciple and best friends with george newt on the, so you look to my mentor, when i was 13 or 14, butch harmon and David Ledbetter were there and i was thinking that is what i want to do and i think when i say that to my dad, he perceived i was thinking of greg norman, but it wasnt the case. So i mean, all of the teacher da rose you liked the life they had, David Ledbetter. My whole life is the search for the perfect shot. Putting and chipping, i dont find it sexy, i recognize its place in the game and its importance but a lot of the current statistics that are coming out of, i work with a professor of columbia named dr. Rose in is a great story. He is doing the numbers. Yes. He is doing the numbers, he just wrote a book i wrote the foreword for that every shot counts and he shows without a doubt, i mean, without a doubt the old adage of drive for show, putt for dough is not true and if you look at, you know, if you look at the top ten ballstrikers in the world they kind of average about 14 method the world ranking, okay, if you look at the top ten putters in the word they average about 62, the big difference, especially with the courses getting bigger and bigger one of the Main Elements is being able to hit it far, not so much accurate, but far and second rough is not the way it used to be, it is not as long but secondary to that is from 175 to 250 yards is really the difference between the weak and the strong. So if someone that much better of a putter at a world class level as the guy number one number 100 that could be a stroke, or a half a stroke, but if you look attiring woods or rose or mcelroy or any of those players, how they hit it very the guy who is 100th in the ballstriking stat is quite a bit different because remember putting is not about power and not being able to create trajectories to the moon to have long irons land soft and if you look at the dominating players of alltime, jack, nick clause, tiger woods, for a few year Johnny Miller they were all able to get the most out of their long irons and hit the ball the highest. Rose so they could hit the ball the highest so drop on the green from 180 to 215 yards . And, you know, with some of my players to get them to hit it furnish further i have this radar device i use a track van and actually looking at their landing angles because pretty much for every degree in landing angle that i start losing, so 40 think, 39, to 38, 38 to 37 i am getting one or two more yards in roll so if i can get a way the way i look at golf, charlie and i am not original, this but pretty up in taught to me by so many people but i couldnt take five hours and say thank you, is i was flat surface of varying loft hitting around object and that is the gist of it so people say, well, who is someone you like that you dont coach . I love to watch jim hit balls because he is as precise as a surgeon and sure aesthetically the style is iffy, the style but the dynamics have led him to be fourth on the alltime money list. So, you know, if you watch from hip high to him high, hip high, it comes in almost as high as snead, nicholas, you will never see anyone who is good through what maps. Tters. Rose hip high, down swing here to here . Yes. So there really is no method when someone says that is a perfect back swing i mean for who . No ones torso is the same length, no ones shoulders rotate the same amount and we are all unique and have our own physiological thumb point so trying to match the geometry to the unique quality that the person brings, so one of the still litigate arguments that is made is why dont you go back to the swing tiger had in 2,000 . Well, tiger is 37. Rose and physically he has been through 40 surgeries who is the same physically at 37 as at 23 . So we are having to evolve and adapt darwinian in that way to keep moving forward and keep moving forward. Rose but this is the game in which you have spent most of your life. Absolutely. Rose and, therefore, if you will end the, you are in the game you want to do it and understand it better than anybody else alive. The best i can. Rose the best you can exactly, at least approach that or other buy what is life about if you cant approach it as good as you can. I want to come back to what you learned about the swing but lets take tiger because this is the subject of this article and the subject of so many articles, whether you are involved or not. Because tiger has gone through, you know, at least four important coaches, butch harmon, hang haney and now you, hank haney and his father, what did earl do . Lets start there. Well, i would expect lay, i havent spoke much about it with tiger but i read the book that was written and i think what he did is he just, you know, people perceive like tiger was the one begging to go to the golf course, it wasnt him getting schooled and your narcotic saying you are going. Rose he wasnt trying to make something he was not. Not at all, but i mean you are looking at a guy wh who wasa green beret, he was a good athlete and played baseball in college and became quite a good golfer quite quickly so i think, you know, earl probably is like, from what i have heard in people who knew him, he was kind of a mystic in a way that, you know, he created a creative, competitive environment for tiger so it wasnt sitting in front of a mirror making perfect swings, it was okay lets see who can make the most fivefoot putts and make the ball back up the most on the green and lets see who can hit the highest hook so he was he is just playing and playing and playing and if you look back to the model of anna ma sorry, intelligence in children so i think that one thing that tiger has always done is he always had, even when he is on the range hitting balls, he always had an intent in the shot, so whereas a lot of people mistake your intention and your attention so peoples intention is to make, is to stand a good shot but then their attention is on every piece of their swing. So if my intention is to change, to better my swing, then my attention can be on mechanics and being in a block mindset where i am verbally cognizant instead of autonomous of where i am hitting shots or watch these guys out of trees, thats when they are the most entry but it is pretty obvious what you have to do. So i think all earl did is just set up this environment for this just unbelievable super learner of an individual to grow the most in. Rose he is an analyst of the game . He studies the game . It is fascinating. I have never been able to stump him on almost any question of who won a major, who won this tournament or who or who won, you know, i read a quote by tiger years ago that said golf needs to be courted slowly, and i thought, that is so spirit july, like in reading his interviews from back in the day, it was like susan guy, you know, he was painting really, but it has been fascinating, it has been a pleasure. He really is a fantastic guy to work with. Rose staying with tiger but at the same time you also have a lot of other good players. Wonderful players. Rose i mentioned lee weapons wood, i mentioned justin rose, i mentioned even t the point where it is said look, he came to you and you didnt have time to do an