Rose we continue this evening with Jeffrey Goldberg of the atlantic monthly. He recently was in paris and interviewed the french Prime Minister after the attack. There is this kind of feeling of semi siege going on where it has a very middle eastern feel in the sense that people are suspicious of packages on subways. Some people are avoiding taking public transportation. Theres just a general fear that another shoe is going to drop. And certainly after the Second Attack which izockosher supermarket attack there is quite obviously not a feeling that thats it. There is this overwhelming feeling that more is to come. Rose we conclude this evening with mike allen of politico and play book who looks at the washington perspective and the president s decision not to go. Charlie, this turned out to be such a seminal event and such an amazing time. So many people around the world united almost the feeling that we had in the United States after 9 11 and the mistake by this whitehouse and sometime this president has had trouble getting his arms around from day one is seize this opportunity, look for a chance to do something great, recognize the power of the office. Rose bernardhenri levy, Jeffrey Goldberg and mike allen when we turn. Rose funding for charlie rose has been provided by rose additional funding provided by and by bloomberg, a provider of multimedia news and Information Services worldwide. Captioning sponsored by Rose Communications from our studios in new york city, this is charlie rose. Rose we begin this evening from paris with bernardhenri levy the philosopher and author has says perhaps phases moments after the Charlie Hebdo attack. He warned the he this he should not follow the United States after 9 11 today a group blaming to hack when messages said american soldiers were coming watch your back. It happened as president obama was giving a speech on cyber security. Theres many things to talk about and i begin with this question withlevy. When thinking about antisemitism and the radical extremist islamic threat. The book that you wrote about daniel pearl, tell me what transand paris have gone through and the implications as you see them. France has clearly been under attack. Attack on cartoonists, great journalists, heroes of freedom brotherhood, alliance solidarity and also maybe a sign that what we are facing today is really serious. Rose did the french take notice of the fact that no high american official was present there with the chancellor of germany and Prime Minister of i real and the Prime Minister of britain and so many other heads of state. Did it concern them that america was not represented in the same manner . It was represented by mr. Holder who is representative at the end of the day. What is true until the last minute there was a great expectation and rumor that barack obama could be there. And there was a little slight disappointment. But wait a minute charlie. Barack obama went to our embassy in washington. John kerry again said je suis charlie in his nonnative french language. So the friendship is really molded in a real good iron of brotherhood. There is no doubt on that. And i think that there is no serious french women or man today who doubts that america is with us as we were with america on september 11. September 11 there was saying we all are americans. I have the feeling that you are very noomi russian to new york city to think and say like john kerry. We all are french. It is sort of fad and tragic reciprocity but it is a reciprocity. Rose were saying they all are charlie. Everybody is saying, yes. All over the world, i am charlie. Like charlie chaplain like charlie rose like many charlie. This motto has become such a wide spread world all over the planet. This means also something. And it means what . It means that my opinion for the first time the free world took the Real Dimension of what is happening. Since decades we said that terrorism is not a real threat. We say terrorism was the fruit of misery and of bad social conditions. We said that the attack of terrorism was not a real war. Today for the first time i think that there is a consensus, there is anh; agreement all over the world to say and to stand that it is a real threat which is threatening civilization. This is what means this spreading of i am charlie all over the world. In lebanon, in south africa there is a group who said je suis charlie. But it is the proof of this that for the first time terrorism is taken as it is which is a new fascism. Which is a new form of fascism in the 21st century. Rose what did you mean when you said the . Vmoment of frances fifth republican. I meant that we need in frathings or even three. Number one it is real, it will be a long and difficult battle. Number two, we have to keep our cold blood and number three we have to avoid some possible mistakes which by the way we are committed by our american friends under george w. Bush byat the moment of patriarch act. I meant real battle cold blood and preventing the this is what is achieved now. Rose will there be a great debate in france about whether there was enough intelligence and whether this could have been prevented if there were more and betterqcsurveillance measures. I dont think so. There is a general feeling that a lot was avoided. That militaristic attacks were eradicatedoz at the very root. There is this general feeling. No today what was really great in paris yesterday, you charlie, you showed the images on your program. What was great was to see these people standing very proudly with pride with honesty also and decency right and left all origins, there was United States of france gathered during these hours. These sort of moments happen very rarely very seldom in the history of a great nation. The last time the last time that there were two Million People in paris was a funeral of victor gould at the end of 19th century. Never after that. Funeral and yesterday. So there is really a union, a unity provisional of course around the victims around the hidden jews, or hidden journalists and the government in order to face the jihadists attack which is more and more generally considered in france as being fascism which i call it since myself since years and years you know, you remember when i was on your table, i miss it by the way now. Rose you also suggested that muslims have to denounce, they have to step forward and loudly and vocally denounce. Do you expect that to take place. Do you have a sense that not only the people of france all religious beliefs understood the momentthe world have to and have heard the message that they must cast out those who use the prophet mohammed as a rallying cry for some evil deed they want to do. Of course. First thing, we cannot say as we said for so long that jihaddism ha nothing to do with islam. Thats not true. Jihaddism has something to do with islam. There is jihaddists interpretation of islam. Number one. Number two, this interpretation has to be battled has to be fought by others. It has to be proved that it is not the only one, that it is very minor. Who will do that. I will not do it. The only who can say that that there is a battlebetween jihaddists islam are muslims themselves. Thats why the french muslims who are as french as i am, they have today a real historical past. Which is to say which is to open the wound. Which is to open the debate. And which is to fight again the jihaddistsislam. The only real serious quarrel of clash of civilization is the clash. Inside islam, the clash inned side islam between mud rupsz and jihaddists. This clash this battle has to be led by muslims themselves. They began to do it these days. And the day ofhuge monster demonstration was the occasion, the rendezvous for a lot of french people of muslim really and loudly, not in our name. Not in my name. These, to preach murder under the name of god is to transform god into a murderer. By procreation. A lot of french muslim said that yesterday. And this also is a date in french modern and contemporary history. Rose a couple of political points in france. How do the french people perceive france was hollandes handling of this tragedy. They perceive it well. This is a general feeling expressed everywhere in the streets, on the tvs, on the internet. Even the adversaries of france was hollande that he handle it in a good;0 l way. Not pushing his own agenda. Smart. His previous president Nicholas Sarkozy theres a general feeling that france was hollande behaved in a brave way. And same for manuel, the way manuel went to this jewish little cache market the very night when the murder happened was alsohs very good sign. And he had this great, because there is a lot of jews today in france who think about leaving and who think that israel might be a safer place tranfrance. Prime minister of france said france without the jews would no longer be france. France without jews is not france. This is what he said and this again is a real good point. Not considering political belongings and politician quarrels. Rose and what about the far right. What happened lawpen and what about the spirit of nationalism and what about those who argue in an antiimmigrant message . Again, againr9often it proved to be wrong. Everybody believed that lapen extreme right would take advantage of the situation. It was a general belief that lapen would say, you see, i said it before and that she would take benefit out of it. It proves wrong. Lapen is for the moment completely out of the game. She made a whole mess, completely stupid saying that she wanted to be invited to the demonstration as if it were a party. Mrs. Lapen probably mixing in vienna when she was a few years ago. And the demonstration in paris where there is no bristol you go with your heart and with your mttshe said i was not invited. And as i am not invited i will not go. And she went in a city of far from paris where shedn xfeels at home to make her own sad and small. In way she put herself out of the game and also miraculous yesterday was to see this crowd which had nothing to do with these xeno phobic internationalistic feelings very present in the debate in the last week, but they were with us yesterday in the streets of paris. She will come back of course. But when her father who is still the president made again a big mistake. He said i am not charlie. I am not charlie. Okay you are not charlie. Go to bouquet this little province of france. They are out of the game quite unexpectedly but they are. Rose what is the agenda for france tonight. The agenda for france now is number one, to protect the who are clearly targeted. It is sad to arrive to this pointed but it is a situation today in paris in france the synagogues, the Jewish Schools are guarded by policemen or soldiers. It is sad but it is unfortunately necessary. Number two, they have and they are doing it. They have to dismantle all these networks of terrorists and jihaddists consisting in women and men with the program, with the agenda of killing jews, killing policemen and killing journalists. They have to dismantle all that. And they have to reassure the selfesteem of france which has already gun with the dutiful of great crowd yesterday sunday. Rose how did they dismantle terror. You know that in all democracy, it is the same. The same problem which is to fight enemies of democracy with democratic means and not fall in the trap of using terrorists means in order to fight terrorists. This is one thing. But this being considered, there is a lot, i cannot say more but there is a lot of intelligence at work. There is a real now watching of the internet. A lot of thesehrw c things. Net Terrorists Network and so on went through the deep web. There is now a new culture in all the western democracy which arose and permits to dig in this deep web. So there is a lot of ways. The load exists. I dont think we need more loads than the loads which already exist. And well see. Anyway, the zero risk does not exist. The most powerful country in the world with great urgencies like america could not expect september 11 which is a bigger terrorist attack ever seen. So maybe france will not foresee andya will not prevent a new terrorist attack. This is possible but what i can tell you is that the life of jihaddists in france will become more and more difficult in the coming weeks. Rose when does the next issue of Charlie Hebdo come out . The next issue comes out tomorrow. And this is the sad and dutiyful paradox of the situation. The magazine this was begging for help in the last weeks because he was going dramatically down. They will make tomorrow a new issue which will be printed three millions of copies in many languages i think that in the sky, in the paradise between paradise and a little lower where they are. They most probable laugh and laugh a lot about this situation. Three million copies. Yesterday in paris when you saw the man saying i am charlie, i am charlie. They never ever knew that Charlie Hebdo existed. But this was as Sigmund Freud said this is a trick of history and up in the sky they must laugh a lot about this trick. Trick of history. Historical tragedy. Historical situation. And thiswell in the manner ofhebdo. Rose bernard, thank you so much forevening i thank you charlie thank you. Rose we will be back with Jeffrey Goldberg. Stay with us. Rose more than a Million People gathered in paris yesterday to march in unity against radical islamic extremists and commemorate the victims of last weeks terrorists attack. It is an historic moment for the country. The prime mers it was italy, turkey britain and the palestinian territories walked arm in arm through prairs with Prime Minister france was hollande in a show of solidarity. Joining me from washington is Jeffrey Goldberg a national4 correspondent for the atlantic magazine and he just returned from paris. Welcome. Thank you. Rose you went over there because of the story or were you there . No. I was wandering around europe working on a another related story that will come out in the atlantic pretty soon. But paris obviously got hot very fast, so i made my way over there. Rose we have lots to talk b give me your sense of yesterday. If you were there or because you saw it on television. It was quite amazing. Putting aside this temporary issue of whether the u. S. Should have been represented at a higher level than it was, which i think it should have been. Its quite a remarkable occurrence. I dont know if its the french are more quick to the streets than americans, but its the equivalent of Something Like five or six millions americans marching against terrorism. Its quite something. But you know, i spent, i was there for about four days immediately following the first attack. And ive been going back and forth, so ive gotten the sense, even before the Charlie Hebdo attack, that france is really, that nerves are on edge. I hate to do thatof saying talking about what the mood of an entire country is. But there is this kind of feeling of semi siege going on, where very middle eastern feel in the sense that people are suspicious of packages on subways. Some people are avoiding taking public transportation. Theres just a general fear that another shoe is going to drop. And certainly after the Second Attack, where which i cover, the kosher supermarket attack, there is quite obviously not a feeling that thats it. Theres this overwhelming feeling that more is to come. And you know everybodys gripped by the notion that all it takes is two or three semi competent but very dedicated jihaddists to create havoc for an entire country. Rose so where do you think were headed . Thats really, thats the very tough question because were not really headed in a good direction. Certainly for the Jewish Community of france they are headed into complete siege. Theyre now going to be soldiers thousands of soldiers guarding Jewish Schools which raises a question about whether normative jewish life can continue in france. We are heading toward the growing popularity of socalled lone wolf attacks or semi lone wolf attacks. And it really is awe phasing. I was talking to one senior French Police official who said look, were getting blamed for not tracking these guys but it takes 20 detectives, 20 skilled surveillance officers to follow one person. Weve got somewhere north of 900 maybe in the thousands low thousands of people in syria right now. Other people who are radicalized at home without ever going to syria. So you know youre looking at a situation which you probably twill see unfortunately more attacks. You will see more crack downs and more broad crack downs but i think the government is seized by the idea that life not only for the Jewish Population but for life at large is going to change and become constricted and curtailed in ways that they dont want to see. Rose this was a side story. You know the manuel. Prime minister netanyahu may have said inviting any french jews if they want to come or inviting them to come. Right. Theyre already going. Thats the issue. And there is tension between the Israel Government and the french government over this. The french government believes very ug strongly and i had a very long conversation with the Prime Minister of french about this. The french government is seized by the idea it must protect the Jewish Population. Because the whole idea of the french republicannic, the french revolution is built on the emancipation of jews. That jews were going to have National Equity in france. And so this is an acute challenge not only for security people but for the very idea of france. They are of course bothered when israel Officials Say france is not safe for jews, come to israel. The problem for france is that many jews are going to israel. I didnt and ive been traveling back and forth for months. I havent met a single jewish person in france who says