. Sharyl welcome to full measure. Im sharyl attkisson. We begin our Second Season of full asure on an important anniversary september 11, 2016, 15 years to the day after the attack on america by islamic extremis. That day fundamentally chang knew it. Today, we examine the cost of terror in the decade and a half since. We start with the terrible toll of that morning. 265 people died on four planes boarded by suicide hijackers. 2606 were killed in the World Trade Center and surrounding area. 125 lost their lives in the pentagon. 6,000 more were injured. On september 20th, days after the attack, president bush launched the war on terror and islamic terrorism is on the rise in the u. S. And worldwide. It is, 15 years later, still a top concern among americans. In a full measure Rasmussen Reports poll we asked is the United States toy safer than it was before the 9 11 terrorist attacks . Only 27 said yes. 55 said no. And 18 are not sure. How confident are you that the u. S. Government can protect its citizens from future domestic terrorist attacks . 11 are very confident, 36 are somewhat confident, 31 are not very confident, and 19 not at all confident. We dont feel any safer. And we are basically split on the governments ability to protect us from a terrorist attack. That despite an enormous sum of tax money spent and a radical change in the american way of life in one short, difficult generation. Jane rhodeswolf we heard the first plane hit and you could see a little debris in the air, sharyl jane rhodeswolf was an fbi agent on assignment a few blocks from the World Trade Center. Ms. Rhodwolf as a member of our evidence response team, i recall getting my boots on and my ray jacket and starting to make my way down towards the World Trade Center. Sharyl later, when zacarias moussaoui, the socalled 20th hijacker, was put on trial, rhodeswolf was on the fbi team that helped prosecute the case. Ms. Rhodeswolf which also included listening to the 911 tapes. So, again, an incredibly intimate thing we would listen to. We would hear people dying on the phone. Everybodys having trouble breathing . Everybodys having trouble breathing. Some people are worse. Sharyl now, 15 years after those many lives taken, america is grappling with the unforeseen tolls. Costs few could have envisioned. Ms. Rhodeswolf when you think about the fact that alqaeda executed that plan for approximately 450,000, i hate to say the return on their investment, but thats what they got. Was to change our society and change our way of life. Sharyl we have changed our society in response. Ms. Rhodeswolf absolutely. Absolutely. Sharyl senator ron johnson leads a Congressional Committee that oversees the nations Homeland Security efforts. 15 years after 9 11, its the terrorists versus us. Whos won so far . Sen. Johnson well, certainly in terms of their goal of disrupting our lives, the terrorists have won. We dont even recognize how many of our freedoms have been taken away from us. How it has disrupted our lives. Sharyl for johnso conservatives, attacks on freedom include the moves to restrict gun rights. For liberals, ittypified by the governments massive utah data center, holding more information about our lives than we know with no clear proof th its ever foiled a terrorist plot. An entire neration knows little of the america that existed before 9 11, when some actually looked forward to a trip to the airport. Airports. London, new york, tokyo, or los angeles. Airports a downright exciting. Sharyl this is todays inconvenient reality. A traveler captud a seingly endless security line last may. Lets see how long this thing is. Sharyl at chicagos midway airport. Were just getting started. Sharyl an incredible 70 billion tax dollars have been spent on the Transportation Security Administration more than 42,000 tsa employees screen passengers and man body scanners at more than 400 u. S. Airports. And theres a whole generation that doesnt know what this is like walking freely into a sports stadium or federal building. Those days are gone. Todays reality metal detectors and handheld wand checks. President bush signed the homend security act on november 25, 2002, a law combining more than twty federal agenciesnto one massive entity the department of Homeland Security. Anmoney has poured into other 30 billion to the fbis counterterrorism efforts. Weve also spent more than 3 billion tightening Port Protection with cameras, cargo screening, and fences. David espie, head of maryland port security, points out there have been no terrorist attacks on americas 360 ports. David we have a very strong frastructure and terrorists, as youve seen in the past years, target the soft targets , of such behavior. We anticipate such behavior every second of the day. Sharyl but amid the successes, e department of homeland bloated bureaucry. E a wildly the budget now tops 64 billon tax dollars a year. Number of employees 240,000. Enough to fill yankee stadium. About five times. Sen. Johon the motivation of the government is the exact same thing as private sector. It wan to grow. You know, so, the department of dient from any oer gornment agency or department. It wants to grow. Sharyl when you look at the department of Homeland Security today, what are your reflections on that agency . Prof. Nichols im trying tohy f Homeland Security is worried about people who are deepfrying turkeys. Sharyl Thomas Nichols is a professor of National Security affairs at the u. S. Naval war college. He studies the Homeland Security mission and missteps. Prof. Nichols at one point, reminder that if you throw a frozen turkey into a giant vat of boiling oil, you could get hurt. Which is true. No one would recommend that you throw a giant frozen bird into a vat of oil. But i dont understand how that became a Homeland Security issue. Wto top over. Sharyl and what does tell you . Prof nichols it tells me that theyre looking for things to do. Sharyl and, apparently, looking for ways to spend your tax billion in antiterrorism grants has gone to questionable expenses. Like a conference at san diegos posh Paradise Point island resort where, believe it ot,r no this was part of the supposed Emergency Response training a live Zombie Apocalypse demonstration. And after 70 billion spent on tsa, an Inspector General report leaked last year showed testers managed to smuggle mock weapons and bombs past federal screeners 96 of the time. But this multibilliondollar vision of a new Homeland Security headquarters, shown in an artists rendition, may be the most tangible example of a boondoggle. After 10 years, its still a Construction Zone marred by cost overruns and delays. What are some of your observations about the incredible amount of money and effort thats been put into this agency . Prof. Nichols when large bureaucracies like a government bureaucracies. So i think the answer to spend a lot of money, to employ a lot of people, to build a lot of buildings, was an understandable reaction, but it was not an efficient reaction. Sharyl the biggest single post9 11 cost is war. An estimated 3 illion tax dollars has been committed to the conflicts in afghanian, iraq, and other strongholds of islamic extremist terrorists. All told, it is estimated the american war on terror cost more than 30 million an hour, every hour forhe past 15 years about 4 trillion tax dollars. All that money and some on the front lines insist were back to square one. And as far as immigrations concerned, everything that we did after 9 11 to prevent it has all been undone. Sharyl this federal officer who works in the u. S. Immigration system doesnt want to be identified for fear of losing his job. That went on to become the 9 11 hijackers, if they found them today, they would be legally deportable because they overstayed their visas. But because of the policies in place, no immigration officer could take any action against them. After they kill people, then we can deport them. We just keep making the same mistakes. More innocent people will die because we refuse to enforce the law. Plain and simple. Sharyl as chairman of the senate Homeland Security committee, what keeps you up at night . Sen. Johnson our borders are if youre concerned about isis operatives coming to america, yeah, be concerned about refugees, be concerned about the visa waiver program, but be really concerned about our completely porous, particularly, southern border. Sharyl th, even though e number of Border Patrol agents has doubled to 21,000 and its budget has more than tripled to 13 billion a year. Gil kerlikowske people need to realize that the border is much more secure than its ever been. Aryl Gil Kerlikowske is head of customs and border protection. Border . Mr. Kerlikowske terrorism is a concern whether it would be the people that came in through 9 11 that entered the country and went through the process or whether its homegrown terrorists, young people who are influenced by the media and influenced, frankly, through the internet to create a terrorist act. Before 9 11, there wasnt a lot of information sharing among agencies, in particular the federal government to the local government. Thats changed dramatically. Sharyl rhodeswolf, now retired from the fbi, says weve done a good job fighting a nimble, unpredictable enemy. Wh i say whats been the cost of terror, what do you think . Ms. Rhodeswolf i will never forget the lives, the voices i listened to as they died on the telephone, some of them screaming for help. Theres this one woman, melissa doy, who, i listened to her she cared for her friends, she cared for her family, and her coworkers, and she actually dies ying the lords prayer. Hold on one second please. Im gonna die arent i . No no no no no. Im gonna die. Maam, say ur prayers. Ms. Rhodeswolf melissa doy is my memory. Maam, melissa . The phone is still open. Melissa . Melissa . [dial tone] . Sharyl when we return, scott thumans report on the selfproclaimed most hated man in britain. Hes blamed for sending hundreds of radicalized men to fight for isis. This week, he was sentenced in . Sharyl even Anjem Choudary man in britain. This week, the radical muslim cleric was sentenced to fi and a half years in pris on chars. Scott thuman reports from london on how the most hated man became the mostwanted, as britain tries to stop a generation from being recruited as terrorists. You are guilty until proven otherwise. Scott few men have been more radical and more influential over the years than Anjem Choudary, a savvy lond mouthpiece and recruiter for isis. Sean you have to follow your laws or die . Anjem of course, that would be the law of the land. That would be the law of the land. Under america, you would abide by the sharia. Sean okay. Anjem choudary, still think youre an evil s. O. B. Scott for roughly two decades his charisma and reach knew few boundaries, a charm with deadly consequences. Choudary had, at indirect, if n strong links to those responsible for the 7 7 bombings in london that killed isis videos, sidartha dhar,r in shoeomber richard reid, a plot to blow up the london stock exchange, and planning for mumbaistyle attacks elsewhere. It was also his iniration to lone wolf attacks that frightened so many. Perhaps nothing shocked the british more or put choudary more on the map, than what a day just like this. When followers of his ran down, then hacked to dea an offduty soldier named lee gby. So, how ch safer is the world with Anjem Choudary hind bars . Raffaelo pantucci mean, sadly, at this point, his message is out there and its gone beyond him in many ways, so his removal isnt going to necessarily change tt pictur scott as head of interNational Security studi forhe Royal United Services institute, Raffaelo Pantucci has crossed choudary raffaelo i think this is often an overlooked fact. Within everyerrorist netwo, there is always a very charismatic leader at its core and this individual has the natural charisma and personality to drive this community forwards and this message forwards. Scott not just in the u. K. , but around the globe, an undetermined number of young men and women hung on choudary every word and many doing much more than justistening. That is choudary personally the then 26yearold former bbc Security Guard grew up in the country alongside robb leech, his stepbrother, who dided to document the religious change in my brother, the islamist a fi ominouslyollw by my brother, the terrorist. Bb the moment i became concerned when we saw him alongside anjem oudary in a national newspaper. That was the moment when alarm bells really started ringing. Scott leech was truly alarmed whenaking a stroll together through londons streets. Robb and saying, look at all this filthy kaffar. Kaffar is disbelievers. Look at all this filthy kaffar. When the sharia comes, all of this will be gone. Scott it was only after choudary went well beyond his rhetoricfilled road shows and scolding of socalled sinners on the streets, that he crossed a inciting support for and being a member of isis after his lectures were posted online. Omer elhamdoon is one of many relious leaders in london, relieved choudary is off the streets. Omer elhamdoon the Muslim Community and the Muslim Council of britain has said for a long ti that someone like this has already been banned from mosques, hes not been allowed, you know the muslim communy has not given him a voice, the voice has been provided by the benefits of him being behind bars is that he wont be able to pop in front of the tv cameras . Omer elhamdoon exactly. Erd benefit to that. Scott yet he and others are hesitant to call this conviction a resolution. And in way too many occassions, the damage has already been done. Robb my stepbrother is already in priso countless others are in the same either fighting with isis or the taliban or alqaeda. Sharyl the judge in sentencing declared choudary is still a danger, even in il, stating he had no doubt he would continue to spread his message. Still ahead on full measure the war on terror is the longest war in american history. How can we win . ll talk with a former Obama Administration top general who has a plan and says he was fired adelle at first, i was so happy to teach in north carolina. And a lot of us even have to buy school supplies. Governor mccrory talks about raising our pay, but he tried to cut Education Funding to its lowest budget share in over 30 years. Like over two thousand other teachers, im having to move to another state so i can do what i love and make ends meet. Someone needs to fix this. Sharyl president obamas refusal to use the words islamic extremism in the war on terror has confounded even some highranking members of his own administration. One of them was head of the Defense Intelligence agency, lt. General michael flynn. In 2014, general flynn lost his job over testimony he gave to congress about the radical ideology behind the terrorists jihad. In his new book, field of fight, he outlines his plan to defeat radical islam. We spoke with general flynn and uncomfortable truth he told congress that caused the Obama Administration to fire him . Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn the truth was that we are facing an enemy , in radical islamism, that is something our administration, the Current Administration doesnt even want to describe, so it does a disservice for the american public. We also have to look at the ideology that exists within these groups. They share an ideology and i would add that to the definition of cor its not just the Senior Leadership in alqaeda, in pakistan. Its also this shared ideology that many of these extremist groups have. I think that thats something that we have to consider as we look at every single one of them. Sharyl you were called into a room . Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn i was called into a room in the pentagon by two individuals, the director of National Intelligence and the under secretary defense for intelligence, and basically told im done, youre done. Congressional hearing that you might lose your job over it . Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn no, i never did. Never did. Sharyl how do you explain the disconnect between what you see as the truth with what we face and what we hear fm this administration . Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn i think he sees that we are not facing something that should be described as a radical islamic extremist view. He doesnt want to use that phrase because i think he believes its going to be and he can have that judgement, obviously he does. But what it does is it does a disservice to the people of america and actually it treats us like were a bunch of idiots. Sharyl in 2007, you said that we, in the u. S. , our intelligence servicewere watching two terr Training Camps d yet forbidden from fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn there were two Training Camps, in somalia, in the fall of 2007, approximately 150 per camp, training and were watching them and there was some decisions that needed to be made whether or not we destroy this training camp. The decision was made dont do anythi and i think it was because there were women and children at risk there. So, we ended up with 300 terrorists hardcore terrorists probably out on the battlefield conducting the types of operations were seeing happen around the world today. Sharyl in fact, you knew one of them . Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn one of them was an american that ended up committing an attack, a suicide djibouti, but it was the first time that i was aware of that a u. S. Citizen who we knew trained there in these camps and then conducted a suicide vest attack. Sharyl and, in essence, we allowed it to happen by not taking action. Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn we allowed because thats right we what i can guarantee you is people who trained in that camp are out and about doing things. Sharyl if this is our policy, how can we possibly win this war . Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn we have to first clearly define the enemy we have to clearly define it. Sharyl but we keep hearing it doesnt matter what you call it. Fmr. Lt. Gen. Flynn weve been told by our president what difference does it make if you know your enemy . So, first thing we have to do is know our enemy, clearly define th. The second part of this is really to begin to discredit this ideology. Discredit it in as many ways as we can, to prove this false idea that exists. Sharyl the former general is sharyl a final thought on this 9 11 annersary. Some of the costs of terro cant be quantified. Like the cost to our collective psyche. Most everyone whos old enough remembers where they were on 9 11. I was driving to work when i saw smoke rising from thpentagon. It was terrible. But, in covering the sry, i to see theest of our fst responders and our military. Through them, we saw the best of america. This photo at ground zero was given to me by a youngan i interviewed who helped the injured. He said the flag signifies hope and resilience. I think it shows that well never lose what it means to be an american. Thank you for watching. Im sharyl attkisson. Well see you next week. This is ned. The family dog. And your current security system. Protecting your home from a breakin is a bit much for ned. [ snores ] everything is a bit much for ned. For live twoway voice and 24 7 security that alerts the authorities, l lumaye and thank you for watching community matters. We hope youll continue to watch as we discuss issues facing our community and provide you with the resources and information needed to find solutions. . . The challenges of everydayife and all the stressors that come with it n be a trigger for Many Health Problems in women. Our first guest is an author, Family Medicine physician, wife, and mother of two beautiful girls, and you might say shes. Superwoman yay dr. Nicole swiner is with us here [laughter] to tell us about the superwoman complex. I wasnt going crazy there. Theres a reason for it. 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