Apologizing for sending an innocent man to death row for 30 years. In 2014, glenn ford was finally exonerated and released by the District Attorney, who still fends the system. Have you no compassion for what mr. Ford has been through . Well, you dont know me at all, do you . But you have no problem asking th question. Wtaker o, i am asking because i am seeking an answer. Im n in the compassion business. Stahl secuty is tight at the large hadron collider. You need an iris scan toet inside. Thank you. You have been identified. Power, cooling. Stahl the entire complex is buriedeep underground. Stahlits believed to be the largest and most complex machmahas er created. The things its searching for oh, no. Really . Im steve kroft. Im leslie stahl. Im bill whitaker. Im Sharyn Alfonsi. Im scott pelley. Those stories, tonight on 60 minutes. This portion of 60 minutes is sponsored by the lincoln summer invitation. E, taking the legwork out of stop and go traffic. And even hills. 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Engineering from the university of virginia. You can lead the w Security Research labs. During the day, the lab advises fortune 500 companieon but at night, this International Team of hackers looks for flaws in the dices we use everyday smartphones, usb sticks and si cards. They arerying to find vulnerabies before the bad guys do, so they can warn the public about risks. At computer terminals and work benches equipped with micro lasers, they physically and digitally break into systems and devices. Nohl hang up. Alfonsi now, nohls te i pring thsecurity of mobile phone networks. Is one phone more secure than another . Is an iphone more secure thaan android . Ohl all phones are the sa. Alfonsi if you just have somebodys phone number, what could you do . Nohl track their whereabouts, know where where they go for work, which other people they meet when you can spy on whom they call and what they say over the phone. Alfonsi we wanted to see whether nohls group could actually do what they claimed. Sf ipne from 6nutes in new york to representative ted lieu, a congressman from california. He has a computer sciencdegree from stanford and member of the House Committee th oversees information technology. He agreed to use our pho to talk to his stf knowing they would be hacked. D theye. All we gave nohl was the number alfonsi hello congressman . Its Sharyn Alfonsi from 60 nutes. As soon as i called congressman lieu on his phone good. How are you doing . Nohl and his team were listening and recording both ends of our conversation. Im calling from berlin. I wonder if i might talk to youe workin l hat hacking story . Alfontheyere able to do it by exploiting a security flaw they discovered in signaling las vegas. John hering three days of nonstop hacking. Alfonsi thats where john hering guided us through the Unconventional Convention where 20,000 hackers get together every year to are secrets and test their skills. Hering its proving whats possible. Any system ce oken break it. About knowg how to mself. Onsi herings cker hes the thirtysomething whiz who cofnded the mobil Security Company lookout when lookout has developed a free apr maare and alerts the user an attack. How likely is it that somebodys phe has been hacked . Dayworld, theres really only two types of woes of peopleicare those who hn hacked and realize it and those who have been hacked and havent. Alfonsi how much do you think people have been kind of ignoring the security of their cell phones, thinking, iveot a passcode, i must be fine . People have t ally that most and that thats really starting to shift. Alfonsi and thats what you think . Itshavi lap hering oh absolutely. One ctivy a supercomputer in your pocket. Theres more technology in your mobile phone twa know, the space craft that took man to the moon. I mean, its its really unbelievable. Alfonsi is eingveth hackable . Hering yes. Alfonsi everything . Hering yes. Alfonsi if somebody tells you, you cant do it. Hering i dont believe it. Alfonsi john hering offered to prove it. Hackers at our las vegas hotel. Each of them a specit gungut how to protect them. Adam laurie would you put your money in a bank that didnt test their locks on their safes . We need to try and break it to make sure that the bad guys cant. Alfonsi how easy is it to break the phone right now . John oberheide very easy. Laurie ayoveeen, pretty trial. Alfonsi do i need to connect to it . Okay. It started whe logon e hotel wifi. At least it looked like the hotef hering had created a ghost version. Its called spoofing. I mean, this looks legitimate. Hering it lookverygima. So youre connected . Alfonsi i am. Hering and iave your email. laughs alfonsi you have access to my email right n hering yeah. Its coming through right now. I actually can s i know have a ridesharing application up here, all the information thats being transmitted, including your account i. D. , your mobile phone, which i just got the all the credit cards associated with that account. Alfonsi jon erheide pointed out the greatest weakness in mobile security is oberhde wiocial en y cfix thhuman element. Humans are gullible. Theyta mious applications. Passwordsy d srd tfix that human element. Alfonsi john hering warned us he could spy on anyone the phones camera had a clear view. We propped up the a phone on my desk and set up cameras to record a demonstration. First he sent a text message with an attachment to downad. Hering were in business. Alfonsi thenering caed from san francisco. desk phone rings and pr the haced. Hering i installed some malware in your device thats broadcasting video of your phone. Alfonsi my phones not even lit up. Hering i ustd,eah. Alfonsi thats so creepy. Katie its pch black for us. Hering was able to take control my phone. But coressman lieu dn all karsten nohls team berlin needed to get into e congressmans phone was the number. Res7that littleknown global phone network we told you about earlier . Nohl ive been tracking the coressman. Alfonsi theit th allowed nohl to d recoonessm lls and track his movements in wainacme been in california, me ecifallyhe l. Aea zoom in re a little bit, mobi phone Companies Use ss7 to Exchange Billing information. Billions of calls and Text Messages travel through its arteries daily. It is also the network that allows phones to roam. Location services and turns that off . Nohl . The mobile network independent from the little g. P. S. Chip in your phone knows where you are. A choices that a congressman couldve made, choosing a phone, choosing a pin number, installing or not installing certain apps, have no influence over what we are showing because this is targeting the mobile network. That of ur, not controlled by any e customer. Alfonsi despite him making good choices. Youre still able to get to his e. Nohl ct team wlelld to ss7 by several internatiol llhone carriers. Xchange, thearriers want nohl to test the networks vulnerabily k. Thatsause cminals have proven they can get into ss7. Nohl mobile networks are only place in which this problem can be solved. There is no global policing of ss7. Their networks. And that is hard. Aths th ugh ss7 than arhone trade association to ask aboutacks o beenepor of securityged the Breach Networks were secure. Congressman lieu was on u. S. Tw berlin. I ju w plafor u meg wee t your phone. Hi ted its marc, how are rselieu im good. I sent you soevisions on e letto the n. S. A. , regarding the the data llection. Reprentative lieu wow. Alfonsi what is yo . Were listening to all of yr two. And second, it makes me angry. Alfonsi makes you angry, why . Epseative lieu they could hear any call of pretty much anyone who has a smartphone. It could be octrad you alfonsikarstenohlsea toll tumbers of every phoneha which means, theres a lot m just intercepting that o p to target and attack every one of the other phones too. Give us aidea, without being too specific, of the types of people that would be in a congressmans phone. Representative lieu there are other members of congress, other elected officials. Last year, the president of the United States called me on my cell phone. And we discussed some sues so if the hackers we listeni they wouldnow that p convertion thmmenly troub. Of hh value to hackers. On7 ability to intercept cell network is an open secreamong the worlds intelligence agencies, including ours, andeyt ho plugged if you end up hearing from the is extremely valuab this ao e formation that theyrle to get from it, what would you say to that . Alfonsi should be fired . Alfonsi why . Representative lieu representative lieu you cannot have 300some mlion absolutely. Americans and really, right, the global citizenry be at risk of having their phone conversations intercepted with a known flaw, simply because some intelligence agencies might get some data. That is not acceptable. Hering id say, that the e person is not going to be exposed to the ty of attacks we showed u today. Louisianas governor says last months flds caused more than an wnesday apple is expected to unveithe in a new apple whitaker there may be no have likely never heard a prosecutors confession. Injustice he calls so great it fos h owntwo lives glen marty strd i ended up, wit anody elses help, puttina on i mean, the end of the day e begiing, eddle whatever y want call it i disomethg that was very, very bad. Whitaker it wa83 shreveport, louisiana, and 32 yearold prosecutor marty ro was assigned h first death penaltcase. A local jeweler, ido rozeman, had been robbed and murdered. Quickly, stroud zeroed in on man to be a petty thief, and he admitted he had pawned some of the stolen welry. All that was enough to mhim the primary suspect. Stroud knew a conviction wou boost his career. Stroud i was arrogant, narcissistic, caught up in the culture of win whitaker win regardls of the facts, the truth . Stroud looki back on it, yes. Peoples involvement. I shld have followed up on that. I didnt dth. Whitaker why didnt you . Strou thifailur Say Something can on be described as cowardice. I was a coward. Whitaker strnow admits the cards and the system were stacked against ford from the beginning his courtappointed lawyers had never practiced criminal law. What kind of law did they practice . Stroud one individual d general civil practice, and stroud here they aren a rder tri ilosiwhe a n was on trial for his life. And at the time, i sawothing wrong with that. In fact, i snickered from time to time, sinthat this was going to be. Were going to get though this case pretty quickly. Wtaker trouds case wasnt strong. There was no physical evidence linking ford to the crime. The main witness incriminating ford admitted in court she been coerced by police to make up testimony. But what was more important to marty ud washe composition of the jury. Stroud there were no African Americans on the jy. Whitaker was that by design . Stroud at the time of the case, we excluded African Americans because we. I felt that they would not consider a Death Penalty where you had a fil call on the case with respecurs. And i was. I wasrong. Whitaker caddo parish, white. A, is predominately yet 77 of those given the death stroud so, wn glenn ford walks into that coooes got a count of 0 and 2 against m, a fast lls coming whitaker it took the jury lessthurs to finduiy. Afarroud and his legal team went out and celebr sending ford to death row. Stroud i h ds. I slappepeople on the ck. We sg s. That was uttly dissting. You know, it. You see mother juste metimes and. A statueanhaa t night that wasnt justice at all whitaker ford was put in solitary confinement in one of e mostnfamous lockups in america, angola. The maximum security prison has hanalties and harsher conditio. Mm temperatureon deathr mmonly exceed 104 degrees. Ou dth row, you have maybe a five by sevenfoot cell rmation ere was cree evidce. Glenford rticant in, the robbery and murder of isadore rozeman. Uds reactn whene was to fs innocent . Stroud i thought i was g u. Ce was just that yours truly had all is pain. Hitake in 2014, rd onerat and rsed an. Ures ohis first frees capted ran thsky and a smile on his whatof that prison . Lenn le stepdvping in bee the judge said hwas ti, anted to put a death date on me. Whiker did mr. Ford get ju dale cox i think he has gotten delayed justice. Hitaker dale cox wathe acting District Attorney of caddo parish. He got glennorreed aft receiving the informants information. He jti ud between 2010 and 2014, his caddo Parish Office put more people on death row per capita than anywhere else in the country. Cox i think society should be employing the Death Penalty more rather than less. Whitaker but there have been ten other inmates on death row in lisna have been exonerated. Early, system is not flawless. Are u sure that youve gotten that. That ive gotten it right. Whitaker reasonably confident . Cox am i arrogant enough, am i narcissistic enough to say i couldnt ma mistake . Of course not. Whitaker but until this information came out, the stat was convinced that mr. Ford was guilty. Cox yes. Whitaker he could have been killed. Cox yes. Whitaker and it wouldve been a mistake. Cox yes. Whitaker it sounds like youre saying thats just a risk we have to take. If i had gotten this information too late, all of us wouldve been griev beyd script we dont wanto do this to people who are not guilty of the crime theyre charged with. Whitaker according to louisiana law, glenn ford was entitled to 330,000, about 11,000 for every year of wrongful imprisonment. But the state is denying him the money. Prosecutors said ford knew a robbery of rozemans jewel shop was going to take place. But he didnt report it. Ford was never charged with th crime, but the state says thats asnoh to deny him. Ted foe time be ent in prison . and the stute not rested for ae other crimes. Mr. Ford prove he didnt do these other crimes. Until proven innocent, in this case . Cox no, because its not a estionf guilt or innocence. Its a question of whether hes entitled to money, taxpayer money. Whitaker but you say he has to prove that hes innocent of these other charges, these oth crimes for which hes never been charged, for which hes never been tried. Cox thats correct. Whitaker e s to prove that hes innocent of them in order to get the cpensation . He was punished for something that he might have done. Thatoesnt seem fair. Cox you want fairness. Suosed to provide fairness . Cox it is supposed to provide justice. Whitaker youonnk he deserves compensation. Cox i think that taw ord what law is this . I never heard of such law where whitaker after 30 years in prison . Ford right. Whitaker 30 years on death row in. In solitary confinement, and the state of louisiana releases mr. Ford with a 20 gift card. Cox youre trying to portray the state of louisiana as some kind of monster. I got hioul qckly as i could. That what the oblition of the state is. Whitaker and thats the end of the states obligation . Cox as far as im co whitaker what about compassion . Have you no compassion for what mr. Ford has been thug cox well, you dot know me at all, you . But you have no problem asking that question. Whitaker no, im. Im asking because im seeking an compassion business, none of us as prosecutors or defense lawyers are in the compassion business. I. I think the ministry is in were in the legal business. So to suggest that somehow what has happened to glenn ford is abhorrent, yes, s unfair. Anits n eveimmoral. It just fit est ur perception of fairness. Whitakeould say people would see this as unfr. Cox i agree. Whitaker for his part, marty stroud says glenn ford deserves evernned he wto seeorto apologize. W do y apologize to someone for taking 30 years of his life from him . Stroud well, theres no books you can read that. I just went in and apologized. Whitaker do you forgive him . Ford no. He didnt only take from me, he took from my whole family. Forgive him. Ford well, i dont. But im still trying to. Whitaker do you think you deserve his forgiveness . If somebody had done that to me, i dont know if i could forgive them. Whitaker you say you destroyed his life. Sounds like this incident destroyed your life, too. Stroud ive got a hole in me through which the north wind blows. Its. Its a sense of coldness, its a sense of just disgust. Theres nhi out there that can fill in that hole that says i. Its allight. Well, its not all right. Its not all right. . Eeyour eyeon the prize ldn . Hold. Whiker thr weeks after we met him, glenn ford died, penniless. His final months, he lived off charity. Donations covered the cost of cox there was a tragic outcome. And these tragic outcomes happen the time in life. Its not like the glenn ford se is the on tragedy youll ever see or ill ever see in our lifetime. The question is, was there anytng i