Its been a packed week in politics. The next one could shake things up. Joe biden closing in on his decision. Some supporters convinced hes ready. Ben carson neck and neck with donald trump after raising more money from more donors than any republican candidate this quarter. Hes our exclusive headliner. When i asked donald trump about carson he previewed a possible line of attack. Ben is a doctor and thats what hes been doing and the question is is he capable of negotiating with china and russia and iran and all of the things you have to do. Dr. Carson thank you for joining us. How do you respond to that and why would you be a better president than donald trump . I dont want to compare myself with anyone but ive had lots of experience doing a whole host of things. Negotiating with all kinds of people in order to get things accomplished and also bear in mind, there is no one person who does all the negotiation and knows everything. You know, in the multitude of counselors is safety. I think the important thing is to understand what the stakes are. When you go into a negotiation, the recent iran negotiation for instance, you have to know how to negotiate. You have to know how to verify, how to make sure that theres appropriate accountability. You have to be able to take down their infrastructure and know what your goals are. Have you ever done anything like that. Have i ever done anything like what . Negotiate . Negotiate . Absolutely. Whats the best example. Ive negotiated many things. For instance, when i became the director of pediatric neurosurgery at johns hopkins, it was not even on the map at hopkins at that point. I had to negotiate a number of things in order to create the various different divisions and by the time we got to 2008 u. S. News worldly report ranked us the number one neurosurgery unit in the United States. So that requires the ability to do things. I had to negotiate with many people in different cities as we were putting the Carson Scholars Fund together. Its now active in all 50 states. 9 out of 10 nonprofits fell. Not only that, has won major awards only given to one organization in the country out of tens of thousands. Thats not done without having the ability to negotiate. Donald trump also suggested that george w. Bush has to share in the blame for 9 11 because it happened on his watch. What do you make of that . I would probably ask him what he meant by that. I seriously doubt that hes saying that george w. Bush is to blame for it. But beyond that, i would ask him. Youre the only republican i certainly dont think so. You are the only major candidate who opposed president bushs decision to invade afghanistan after 9 11. I want to show what you said at the debate. Declare that within five to ten years we will become petroleum independent. The arab state would have been so concerned they would have turned over anybody you wanted on a silver platter within two weeks. How would that have worked, gotten him to turn over Osama Bin Laden in two weeks. He was already an enemy . I think they would have been extremely concerned if we had declared and we were serious about it that we were going to become petroleum independent because it would have had a major impact on their finances. And i think that probably would have trumped any loyalty that they had to people like Osama Bin Laden. But they didnt have any loyalty. He was their enemy. They kicked him out. Well you may not think they had any loyalty to him. But i believe otherwise. So you believe that had president bush simply declared Energy Independence they would have turned over bin laden. How would they have gotten him out of the tribal areas of afghanistan and pakistan . They would have known where he was. You know, there were indications for instance during the Clinton Administration that they knew exactly where he was. But didnt necessarily pull the trigger. If we could tell where he was, im certain they knew where he was. But at that point we had some idea but didnt know for sure. I dont understand how you think this would have worked. Heres the point. Heres my point. My point is we have other ways that we could have done things. I personally dont believe that invading iraq was an exes tential threat to us. I dont think Saddam Hussein was a threat to us. Thats a very different situation right now. Now we have global jihadists who want to destroy us and our way of life and thats a different situation. I was asking about invading afghanistan which had been harboring Osama Bin Laden. I was primarily talking about iraq. You know, i wasnt particularly interested in going into afghanistan but i do think that we should have taken aggressive action. And i think, you know, creating a base that did not require tens of thousands of our troops that required a group and i think we probably have that number pretty close to right now about 10,000 or so. And being able to use our drones and being able to use our intelligence and things of that nature. I think thats probably all that was necessary in afghanistan. When we look back at 9 11, 3,000 people dead on that day, we knew afghanistan was harboring Osama Bin Laden and 90 of the public supported taking military action. If that is not a case where you would order retaliation, what is . Well, i just said i do believe that we should have taken aggressive action. I just dont think necessarily putting tens of thousands of our troops was the correct way to do it. But you know were talking about things that are in the past. We will never know the answer to that. We really need to be concentrating on what are we going to do now to deal with the global jihad threat. You have said you would maintain the military presence in afghanistan as president obama announced this week . Yes. I would. I think we saw what happened in iraq when we withdrew. I dont think that we want to make that mistake again. Im very happy to see that we have a learning curve there. And just before i move on, i just want to be clear. Youre standing by the statement that had president bush declared Energy Independence back after 9 11, that would have caused the modera moderate government to turn over bin laden. I think they would have been concerned and been considerably more cooperative. I was struck by reading your previous book, america the beautiful. The things you wrote that sound like Bernie Sanders than some of your republican rivals. You wrote about taking the positive aspects of socialism and implementing them within capitalism. What did you mean by that . Well, i meant one of the things that happens for instance in europe for medical school is that you dont have to pay for it. And as a result, they dont have the skew that we have here. A lot of people when they finish medical school there are hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt and instead of doing what they may have wanted to do which was maybe be a primary care doctor, they decide that i better become, you know, one of the specialists that makes a lot more money so i can pay this money back. Thats not an issue in europe and they dont have the kind of primary care deficit that we have. On health care you have said we have to get rid of forprofit Insurance Companies writing all of the Insurance Companies would have to become Nonprofit Service organizations with standardized regulated profit margins, reasonable to allow Insurance Companies a 15 annual profit, 5 of which would go to the Governments NationalCatastrophic Health care fund. How would you do that . That would require heavy government regulation. Well, ive subsequently switched over to a Health Savings account and find that to be much better. I was trying to work within the framework of what we had. But ive concluded that what we had simply did not work. One of the reasons it didnt work is because the Insurance Companies made profits by denying people care. And that of course, is a total conflict of interest. But utilizing the Health Savings account system that i talked about more recently i think solves that problem. So you no longer believe we should get rid of forprofit Insurance Companies . Well, forprofit Insurance Companies would become much less relevant with the Health Savings account system that i talked about. How . Because everybody would have a Health Savings account from the day theyre born until the day they die. We fund it with the same dollars we use for Traditional Health care. We spend almost twice as much per capita in health care as other nations. Theres plenty of money there. You give people the ability to shift money within their Health Savings account within their family. So that each family becomes its own insurance company. No middle man. So the money goes a lot further. It continues to accumulate and never goes away. And the cost of your catastrophic insurance now drops tremendously because almost everything youre doing is coming out of your Health Savings account. This works extraordinarily well. And for the indigent we have a way to take care of them. Medica medicaid, we have about 80 Million People participating. We can fix that by fixing the economy but dealing with what we have 80 million and 400 billion goes 5,000 times. 5,000 each man, woman and child, what could you buy with that . Most practices are 2,000 to 3,000 a year and then you have thousands left over for your catastrophic insurance which is much cheaper since everything is coming out of your hsa. The interesting thing is people say poor people wouldnt be able to manage a Health Savings account. Didnt they say that about food stamps . Of course they will. They will learn quickly to go to the emergency room, go to the clinic, instead where you get it taken care of. Plus lets get your diabetes under control so youre not back here in three weeks with another problem. A whole other level of savings plus teaching those individuals to be personally responsible and not but those accounts, only about 2,000. A person, thats a fraction of an average familys health insurance. Well the 2,000 figure was when i was thinking about the government funding it. But i subsequently decided the better thing to do is to allow it to be funded through the same channels that regular health care is funded through. The money is already there, so why change that . Also, in your book you talked about government regulation and said that unfortunately we decided to deregulate during the 1990s paving the way to the economic meltdown in 2008. That sounds similar to Bernie Sanders and some of the other democrats are saying. Certain types of regulations. You know, eagle was a regulation after what happened on wall street in 29. The banks were playing fast and loose with peoples hardearned cash. That needed to be contained. In the 90s we took the teeth out and started thinking maybe men were angels. But men are not and we do need government regulation. So the right kinds of it. What we have done is we just ballooned a number of regulations and every single regulation cost in terms of goods and services and who is hit most by that, poor people and the middle class. Thats what we got to start thinking about. Would you reimpose eagle . Perhaps with some modifications. We certainly need to make sure that we dont have out of control credit swaps and all kinds of funny money going on. We need to make sure that we protect the people. Thats what the regulations are for. The United States is about to hit its debt limit november 3rd. Do you think it should be raised . Well, you know, we get into this question every single year. I think its kind of ridiculous and we wait until were right up against the wall and say yeah, we got to raise it or were going to default. Thats craziness. What we need do is at the beginning of the financial cycle determine where were going to make the cuts so that we dont wind up in this situation every single year. But these are bills you know, these are bills we have to pay, money already spent. I recognize our backs are up against a wall in a couple of weeks and we have to do that in order to prevent a default. I do know that. However, this should be the last time we have to do it. So you would raise it this time but not again . I would raise it this time with the stipulation that we are going to go and look at those 645 Government Agencies and subagencies and going to find it and get rid of it so we dont have to do this again. Who would be your toughest opponent Hillary Clinton, joe biden or Bernie Sanders . I personally dont think any would be very tough because its going to be such a clearcut election. We will be voting about whether we want a nation where the government is in control or a nation where the people are in control. I think its going to be Crystal Clear and the people will make a clear decision. Dr. Carson, thanks for joining us today. My pleasure. When we come back, Bernie Sanders joins us live. Did he let hillary off the hook at that debate . Can he convince voters socialism is what america needs. Sunday exclusive is next. Im always there for my daughter. For the little things. And the big milestones. 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I think what the American People want, george, is a discussion in this country of the real issues that are impacting them and that is theyre asking why it is theyre working longer hours for lower wages, why we have a massive level of warmth such that all is going to the top 1 . They want a discussion, why they cant send their kids to college. Why we have today more people in jail than any other country on earth. 2. 2 billion people and why were not investing in our young people in jobs and education rather than more jails and incarceration. Why we are not dealing with the reality of who controls our rigged economy and a corrupt political system as a result of citizens allowing billionaires to buy elections. The great Global Crisis facing our country. All of those issues are more important than Hillary Clintons email issues. Also questions about national security. President obama announcing hes keeping 10,000 troops in afghanistan through next year. 5,000 after that. You heard ben carson saying he supports that decision. So does Hillary Clinton. Do you . Well, yeah. I mean i wont give you the exact number. Clearly what the president has been trying to do and i say this as someb