All coming up on face the nation. Captioning sponsored by cbs good morning welcome to face the nation im john dirk son. Donald trump joins us by phone from new york. Mr. Trump i want to start with the immigration plan you put forward this week, got a lot of coverage lot of conversation from your rivals. The biggest criticism of that plan is that it will be so expensive. Its not just the wall which you say you want mexico to pay for but its also the job of deporting 11 to 12 million people. How are you going to pay for the whole thing . John, right now were spending 130 billion a year, thats a very low number by comparison to what it really is, to having tremendous you look at new york and st. Louis and you look at lets say baltimore and chicago, many of these gang members are illegal and tough dudes. Those calculated in the 130 billion. Were a nation of laws we have to do what we have to d. Actually it will be lot less expensive to do it properly. You know the good people are going to be expedited to come back but you have to do this, john. We are nation based on laws. Were based on borders. We dont have a border. We dont have laws. People are walking in past these really fantastic Border Patrol. We have Border Patrol people that are fantastic they can do their job. They are told not to. People are walking into the country right past these people and theyre told to stand back. Its absolutely disgraceful. Dickerson you say good people will be expedited. Who are the good people . Well, the people that have done a wood job, they have been here a long time. They worked hard, they have recommendations from people and were going to get wonderful people coming back into this country. Im not only talking about from that standpoint, you know, were building a wall. Its going to be a great wall. By the way, mexico will pay for it. Going to be a great wall. Not going to cause nearly as much as what they are saying but this would be a wall with a very big, very beautiful door because we want the legals to come back into the country. We also want people of talent to come into the country. We want people to go to our colleges. You to go harvard, wharton, stanford, you are immediately thrown out as soon as youre finished getting angry. You can be number one in your class at princeton and be thrown out of the country and you have forced to go to work in china. You want to be in our country. I will have that changed and changed quickly. We want people of talent. Dickerson let me ask you about good people. Theyre here now, undocumented now they will leave the country then you have them come back through that beautiful door. Isnt that rewarding people who jump the line in the first place . Well, you could say that. But we have lot of good people that have been here, they have done a good job. Its a tough situation but they lived here sometimes for 10, 15, 20 years, in some cases they havent been good people. There have been problems, i will say this. Our country doesnt know how many people we have. We have no idea how many illegals are here. Ive heard number for five years, and longer of 11. 11 million people. Every once in awhile you hear 30. We have no idea coming in, theyre pouring in, we have no idea how many people are here. But we have to get them back. We have to get them back where they came from and good ones we will expedite. Well work on it and well expedited. You know what its called. Its called management. Right now we have political hacks running the system. We have people that have no clue how to manage this with Good Management we can do this very, very well. Dickerson let pe ask you question about your campaign, you talk about how no one owns you, youre paying for it yourself. If you got into the general election where democrats are maybe going to spend upwards of a billion dollars are you going to foot the bill for that, too . I think what would happen is people i dont want lobbyists, i know people that want something. Ive been doing this all my life ive been very big contributor, because many people, of all size, i dont want lobbyists, i dont want special interests, certainly have lot of money coming in, woman sends in 7. 2 the other day. She writes this beautiful little letter. We have lot of small contributors. I would even take big contributors as long as they dont expect anything. Only people that can expect something from me is going to be the people that want to see our country be great again. Those are the only people. Certainly i would would take i actually like the idea of investing in a campaign but it has to be no strings attached. I dont want any strings attached. These lobbyists, i would have got 5 hill gone very important lob heist. There are total strings attached. Come to me in a year or two years want something for country that he represents or for a company that he represents, thats the kind of money i wont take. Dickerson let me ask you about constituency that may be interested, you told Time Magazine i have Hedge Fund Guys that are making a lot of money that arent paying anything. Would you change that and how would you do it . I would change it to pay nothing. Its ridiculous i want to save the middle class. The Hedge Fund Guys didnt build this country these are guys that shift paper around they get lucky. By the way when the market collapses like it is now, the market is going down theyre losing a fortune, theyre energetic, very smart, lot of them its like paper pushers they make a fortune, they pay no tax its ridiculous, okay . Some of them are friends. Some of them i couldnt care less about its the wrong thing. The Hedge Fund Guys are getting away with murder. Theyre making tremendous amount taxes. I want to lower the rates for the middle class. The middle class is one getting absolutely destroyed. This country doesnt wont have a middle class very soon. Dickerson i want to ask you conservatism. Theres been people wonder what you are, jeb bush say youre not conservative. Prove him wrong. Well, you know, you could say that about ronald reagan. Ronald reagan was a democrat with a very, very liberal mean. He actually became republican who was fairly conservative i would say most conservative but fairly. And he joked about, he evolved as he got older, i have also. Dont forget, when you label me, i was never politics. Never really mattered what people called me didnt make any difference. Also i was in manhattan where everybody is democrat. If you get democratic nomination for city council or anything that means you won the owel even though the election hasnt taken place. Its automatic. I was from an area that was all democrat. Over the years, especially as ive gotten more and more involved, i have evolved. And i have taken positions that are different than the past. I feel strongly about them. But ive also taken position of common sense. When i look whats happened to our country, our country is going down. Were going down, john. And im going to make this country great again. Im going to do the right thing for the country. Dickerson well look forward to catching up out without on the campaign trail, thanks so much for joining us. Thank you very much, john. Dickerson friday we traveled with iowa caught up with two other republican candidate, new Jersey Governor Chris Christie and his thoughts on Donald Trumps machine to fix illegal immigration. In many ways too simplistic, idea of building a wall, kicking everybody out. And all sound appealing in some respects to some folks i think its a very complicated problem and understand how do to do complicated solution to that problem. Dickerson is that the larger question about mr. Trumps policy that theyre too simplistic . Listen to everyone of his proposals that hes put out there but ill say this. I understand why the American People are frustrated. Theyre frustrated because they feel like government cant do anything right. They cant execute on anything. The difference in my approach, now how to enforce the law. I did it as u. S. Attorney. Im doing it as governor of new jersey. Very difficult circumstances in Democratic Legislature what they want to have a detailed plan that they know someone can execute on and enforce and not have history of doing that. Dickerson you mentioned birthright citizenship. Your position is what on it . Its in the constitution. I dont think that we should be looking to change it. Now, what i said was if we want to have comprehensive Immigration Reform id be willing to listen to anything. But the truth of the matter is, that that is not something we should be focused on thats its in the constitution, lets talk about the things that we can fix and fix simply without having to amend the constitution. Twothirds of the congress and 38 states agree. Dickerson after the last Election Republican Party had bit of soul charging moment, Republican National committee put together report said republicans have to get behind comprehensive Immigration Reform. That closer to your position on immigration, but it seems that the Party Passion in the party is moving towards more restrictive view on immigration. How do you see it . I dont agree. I think the passion in the party is towards getting it right. Getting it fixed. And i think that the frustration that people feel is congress and president who refuses to enforce the law. The problem, john, that people are just absolutely fed up with promises in this country. They see the president only enforcing laws he likes, not enforcing the laws that he doesnt like, not working with the states in way that would i can ha sure the laws are enforced id be clear on this. I think the frustration is that government is not working not getting the job done. The fact is in new jersey weve been able to do this the right way and thats why 51 of the hispanic vote when i was rereelected, republicans can do this, and to get them to vote for us as well. Dickerson Hillary Clinton has had lot of challenges with her email server. In responding to those attacks shes blamed the press, she has blamed partisan and she said, you know, trust me on this. When its all through youll find out i was exonerated. A lot that have sounds like what you said during bridgegate. Except that im telling the truth and shes not. Fact is that this is a perp wont even answer the questions. Remember something, when Hillary Clinton goes hour and 15 minute with press conference where she takes every question then she can talk to me, thats what i did the day after. The day after. Everything i said the day proven to be true. Here is the problem with Hillary Clinton. She wont answer any questions. Why did she have private email server to begin with. Why was she doing all of her business over private email server. John i work for the federal u. S. Attorney. One of the rules they told you right in the beginning do your business over the government server. Thats what they told you to do so they could have record of all of that. She didnt do that. Dickerson she would say the other previous secretary of state had private accounts. Hi had private accounts in addition to the public accounts. She never used it. This is what the clintons do all the time, john. They try to divert attention. You dont want to answer the question, we know, john, you and i both know why. She wanted to keep what she was public. Didnt in the r want any record. Because as soon as she was out of office she wiped the server clean. This is the kind of dickerson thats your interpretation. She only wiped personal stuff. Why else would you did delete thousands and thousands ever emails, john. Because you didnt want anybody to sight. As a matter of fact that mrs. Clinton never wants to answer the question she tries to divert it. Here is going to be the problem come next fall when im her opponent. Never been cross examined by a prosecutor like me. Shell be cross examined like a prosecutor like me on the other side of the stage and she wont be able to stand up to the scrutiny. Dickerson democrats those supporting her say governor christie had missing texts. We had 12 missing Text Messages that was sent when we werent under investigation. Mrs. Clinton deleted emails when she was under subpoena. In my neck of the woods we call that obstruction of justice. Dickerson youve been talking about entitlement reform what has it been like trying to get that in the conversation, what is the reception been. People understand it they get it they want to be told the truth they dont like it. They dont like fact that they keep money in trust fund and stole all the money and lied and there. But they are happy that there is finally leader who selling to stand up say the government lied to you and stole from you. Now we have to fix it. The media just not that interested because its complicated. Its more than like for fivesecond answer. They get one question about entitlement in the entire debate with weeks ago yet its 71 of federal spending along with debt service. How could it be that we have one question in two hours on something thats assuming really 71 of the federal gung. R budget im going to keep talking about it because you got to do that. Dickerson thanks so much. Thanks, john. Appreciate it. Dickerson lieutenant sat down with texas senator ted cruz before an event at the iowa hall of pride. Began by asking about granting children of undocumented workers. I think birthright citizenship as a policy matter doesnt make sense. We have right now upwards of 12 illegally. It doesnt make any sense that our law automatically grants citizenship to their children because what it does is it in immigration. But the heart of what donald proposed indeed what ive introduced is we got to get serious about securing the borders, if you go and you talk with law enforcement, as you know i represent texas. Weve got 1200 miles of boarder with mexico. When you go visit with law enforcement, when you visit with Border Patrol always about what works the number one most effective tool that works is boots on the ground. Thats why i filed legislation to triple the bore. I was very glad to tee that donald trump agrees with that. The legislation i filed would also increase fourfold the fixed wing aircraft that we use technology to monitor the border to supplement the boots on the ground. But then beyond that, 40 of the illegal immigration doesnt come across the border at all its visa overstay. Legislation i introduce would put in place a strong buy met particular exitebb tree system to stop visa over stays and should put in place a robust everify system so you cant get a job without demonstrating youre here illegally. Not that we dont know how to solve illegal immigration what is missing is the political will to get it done and as president i will get it done. We will secure the borders. Dickerson in 2011 you mentioned basically theres quote here you said 14th amendment provides for birthright citizenship, look at arguments i will tell you as Supreme Court litigate for those arguments are not very good. As legal matter, though, it cant be touched, right . Thats not true. There are two different pieces. Theres the policy matter and legal matter. As a policy matter i think now, i thought then, we should end birthright citizenship. In 2011 in that same conversation ive publicly said we should end birthright citizenship. Did i so in writing. Second question, how does one do it. Constitutional scholars differ in terms of the way that it can be effectively done. Some constitutional scholars argue congress could pass a law defining what the words in 14th amendment subject to the jurisdiction mean. Others argue, no, it couldnt be done by statute. It must be done by constitutional amendment. My view, theres good faith argument on both sides. She pursue whichever one is effective. But as policy matter, we should change the law. But what i also said in that interview this is important, john. Is were facing a crisis with illegal immigration. Law enforcement crisis a National Security crisis, any change in birthright citizenship be stance statute or constitutional amendment would take many years. The First Priority should be securing the border and we can do that with a president unlike president obama, who will actually enforce the laws and get the job done. Dickerson let me ask you, youre hosting gathering here in protection of religious liberty in your speech announcing presidency you talked about it. Ever since, we know that will be part of your presidency. What in a cruz presidency would samesex marriage look like. When it comes to religious liberty, it has been a foundational passion of mine for decades. I have a long record of standing and defending religious liberty and winning successfully whether it was defending the Ten Commandments on the state capital grounds, win 5 004 before. Defending the ledge of allegiance, the words one nation under god winning unanimously in front of the Supreme Court or defending the Mojave Desert memorial. Why representing three million veterans defending that memorial we won 54 in front of the u. S. Supreme court. This is a deep passion. And today were pretaping this rally here in iowa, but thousands of people in support of religious liberty, what this rally is doing is its telling the stories of ordinary people across the country who are here today who stood up for their faith and who were persecuted. Lot of folks in the media that they belittle the threats, they say theyre not real, theyre made up. This rally is all about putting names and faces and people to the persecution, for example, one couple is here, dick and betty, theyre a wonderful couple. Older couple they owed many years they posted wedding in their church. Couple of years ago two men came to them and wanted to have samesex wedding in their church. The odegaard who are devout mennonites, said, hosting a homosexual wedding ceremony in their church was deer their faith they couldnt do it. They were sued. They went through protracted litigation, paid 5,000 to settle the case. They promised never again to host another wedding. They have gone out of business. Laid off all their employees. Why . Simply because they stood up for their faith and religious beliefs. Were a nation that was founded on religious liberty and the liberal intolerance we see trying to persecute those who as matter of faith follow biblical defini