Transcripts For WTXF Fox News Sunday With Chris Wallace 2018

Shooting and how to prevent more with Rush Limbaugh, who joins us live for a Rare Television interview. And we will talk about where this leaves debate of gun control with mark kelly, the retired astronaut husband of Gabby Giffords and a leader to prevent gun violence. Plus we will hear from a group of survivors who want to rally young people across the country and force action to avoid bloodshed. At what point do we say thats not enough and we call for action . Chris then. They want to promote discord in the United States and undermine Public Confidence and democracy. Chris we will ask our sunday panel about a sweeping indictment presenting new evidence with how russia interfered in the 2016 president ial election, all right now on fox news sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. We are still feeling the shock waves from yet another School Shooting. The massacre at a Florida High School has reignited the debate over guns and Mental Health and there are troubling questions about the fbis failure to follow up on warnings about the shooter. In a few minutes we will discuss all of this with Rush Limbaugh and gun control advocate mark kelly. But we begin with breaking news. Students from a high school are making an announcement today. Five of them have joined us and i want you to know how sorry we are for what you went through and for the loss of your friends. Cameron, whats your announcement today . Today i would like to announce that we have an event coming up to have everybody in the nation talking about what we are talking about and one of the things weve been hearing is that its not the time you have to talk about gun control and we respect that. Weve lost 17 lies in our community took 17 bullets to the heart and its difficult to come back from that. So here is the time that we are going to talk about gun control. March 24th we have the march for our lives which you can find at marchforourlives. Com. If the march for our lives is going to be in every major city. We are organizing it so students everywhere can beg for our lives. At the end of the the day thist about the g. O. P. And the democrats, this is about adults and kids. At this point you are either with us or against us. In the next election we are saying if you are accepting money from the nra there is a badge of shame on you because you are enabling things. Chris david, do you have a specific agenda on how you think you can protect kids . Are these marches going to be mostly politicians talking to the crowds or is this going to be students trying to mobilize other students . This is a student led Grassroots Movement and this is not a debate, this is a discussion between americans because weve had too many debates before and theyve gotten nowhere. We need to discussion where we are both sides. Republicans can talk about Mental Health care and the democrats can talk about gun control. But what we need to do here is come together not as democrats or republicans but as americans and Work Together to solve this issue because this event occurred on valentines day sadly and sadly 17 people had to take a bullet to the heart and so did our community. This is a time for change and we cant let this ever happen again. Chris let me pick up on that because as terrible i cant even imagine what you kids went through. As terrible as what happened at your school. I dont have to tell you that have been other schools, sandy hook and columbine and so many others and the nation mourns. We are all very upset and then we move on and nothing much happens. What makes you think this time is going to be any different . I think this time is different because immediately the same day as the shooting i immediately went on fox news and talked about how this needed to be different, how this could not be just another mass shooting. Weve had 18 since new years eve and now its the time for discussion. Its not time for debate, its time to Work Together. Our elected officials need to get together, over on the political differences and get some things done because they need to save the future of our country in the future of our country are those children that are currently dying because politicians refuse to take action and continue to take money from the special interest groups. Chris finally, emma, take us back to the shooting. How terrifying was it, and is this called for a National March on march 24th, is this an effort to give some meaning to the senseless murder of some of your classmates . This is a case of simple please stop. Please stop allowing us to be gunned down in our hallways. People are telling us that we should run for president. We want an education. At this point we are trying so desperately hard to communicate what we are feeling and so many people are listening to us. The older generations every generation is supporting us with countless, countless amount of energy. So many people are coming up to us in the street saying thank you and we want to thank them by communicating what we are trying to communicate. We want to get the support for march for our lives. The website is going up today. We want students to be at that march and to be with us. We want to be with those students who we didnt understand their pain before and its tragic that we all have to understand the same pain now. We are here for everybodys kids. Chris thank you. Thanks for joining us today and i want to invite and if you will come to the march year in washington next month to come back on this program, thank you. Thank you so much for having us. Chris now lets bring in the king of conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh life from his eib studio in florida. It will come back news sunday. Rush thank you, chris, great to be here with you. Chris what do you think about this idea of students mobilizing across the country, a march on washington, communities, students trying to get politicians to act . Rush what i found interesting about the students they are very articulate and you have to feel for them. Its their lives. If they are a combination scared and angry. But chris, i have to ask if anybody is really serious about solving this because none of this by the way i couldnt care less about the gun angle of this. None of this is going to solve prayers and condolences dont solve it and marches arent going to solve it. The next shooter is out there. The next shooter probably has the gun that hes going to use. The next shooter is known by many people in his community who are concerned that this guy may do what everybody is afraid hes going to do. How is anything that we are talking about going to stop that . We have got to realize this is what our country has become. We can wish that it worked this way and we can wish that congress could legislate it away, but they cant. Its not the fault of the nra. If the fault of the people doing this and our inability to deal with that and stop them. We have security, Armed Security at virtually every Public Entity in this country except schools. For some reason they are a gun free zone and everybody wants to shoot up a school knows that they are going to be the only one armed. Until one really can get serious about where we are and how did they stop this from happening and marches arent going to do it. Saying no more guns isnt going to do it. Bashing the nra isnt going to do that. Chris it let me ask you about one aspect of this. We have now learned of two cases where the fbi failed to follow up on credible information about the shooter and we have now learned that just last month that someone close to nikolas cruz, the shooter, called the fbi tip line and according to the fbi said this. He talked about his gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts as well as the potential of him conducting a School Shooting. But that information was never forwarded to the miami field office. How do you explain that . Rush i could be snarky and say maybe the fbi should stop trying to find every case of harassment in the white house and maybe they ought to give up on this ridiculous pursuit the russians colluded with trump in the election, but clearly this is my point. A lot of people knew, a lot of people have every bit of knowledge they knew to act on this guy, to surveilled the sky. We told well we cant do anything until the crime is been committed. Thats what has to change and is going to take some really smart people to figure how to do that without violating Civil Liberties and the Fourth Amendment and so forth. But its clear that the way we deal with this now this is totally political. The students think they are taking politics out of this. The minute they bash the nra, its politics. This is an event that advances a political agenda for the american left and the Democrat Party to bash the nra. Chris let me pick up in something you said. You just sit at the beginning i could be snarky and i could say maybe the fbi should stop wasting so much time. You have suggested this in a kind of provocative way on your radio show, the fbi is spending too much time on the trump investigation. But in fact the president tweeted just that last night. I want to put his tweet up. The president said. Rush i said it friday. Chris maybe he listen you. Very sad that the fbi missed all of the many signals set out by the Florida School shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the Trump Campaign there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud do you really see a connection between the fbi investigating the russia investigation of potential trump connection and the fact that they miss the signals here . Rush no thats why i said i could be snarky. But i am trying to make the point. If the fbi is engaged in a bunch of stuff that is time wasting and isnt going to take us anywhere and its all chris, everything has become politicized, political and his country and thats why we cant solve anything. The minute and i will tell you with a primary perpetrators art of making it political is the media. The media carries one side of this argument, the antigun, antinra and they promote anything and anybody that is promoting that. Once that happens you can forget about a solution. We are never going to get one because politics enters the scene and corrupts it. Chris at the risk of raising your ir and those of your millions of followers, let me ask you a question about guns. To buy a handgun you have to be 21 years old and undergo a three day waiting period back. But to buy a semiautomatic rifle you can be 18 years old and the background check takes just minutes. Question, is that sensible . Rush it may not be sensible. I dont know. My point is thats not the problem. If you ban the ar15 theyre going to fight most of these are handguns anyway. If you ban that they will find some other way to do this. Until we stop them, until we affix blame where it belongs, until we are ready to admit that this is what our country has become we cant go back to the 50s and ozzie and harriet and wish it werent so. Chris you say identify them. There are a lot of disturbed people out in the vast majority dont do anything. Nikolas cruz did do something and there were warning signs. How do you identify them . Rush this guy was identified by everybody that knew him. The fbi knew who he was. If the solution to meet, i know this is going to cause all kinds of angst, but the solution is we need concealed carry in the schools. If we are really serious about protecting the kids, we need a mechanism to be defensive when this kind of think we are not going to take action, to stop , we better have mechanisms in these schools to stop it when it breaks up. If we dont do that than all the rest of this is nothing more than political posturing for the 2018 returns for the 2020 election. Chris thank you. You were coming back later in the program to discuss a number of other issues. I will talk to you in a few minutes. First lets turn to mark kelly, the retired astronaut who became a leader in preventing gun violence after his wife, former congresswoman Gabby Giffords, was severely injured by a deranged shooter in 2011. Welcome back. Mark thanks for having me on, chris. Chris in the wake of yet another tragedy and unfortunately the only times you and i talked tend to be after these tragedies, how would you stop more School Shootings and what you think about what rush just said, the idea of concealed carry . I know its one of the things were fighting against. Mark let me start with at the top of what rush just discussed with you. He says, first of all, the next shooter is out there, has their firearm, ready to do this, theres nothing we can do to stop it. I would admit that in florida Law Enforcement has very few tools to be able to prevent one of these things from happening, even the fbi, but in some states we have been instrumental and have successfully passed things called extreme Risk Protection orders or gun violence restraining orders. The state of california, the state of washington, oregon, indiana already had one in place. Connecticut. Law enforcement can be notified by a Family Member or maybe they find out about a situation themselves and theres a very short and abbreviated process to temporarily take the firearm away from the person that they believe is having some mental issues and are struggling. So we have already, multiple times, probably dozens of times, prevented these things from happening. You just dont ever know for sure. That situation that you cant stop it, thats actually not true. Chris one of the other questions as the gun. I know one of the things you would like to see is a renewal of the assault weapon ban that was passed in the 1990s and may be a limit on the capacity of these highcapacity magazines. In fact, gun Rights Groups point out that the vast majority of murders in the country are not committed with assault weapons, they are committed with handguns. I want to put up some statistics on that. According to the fbi, in 2016, murder victims by handguns, over 7,000. All the murders from rifles, shotguns, and other guns all in the hundreds. So are these assault weapons, the semiautomatic weapons, the ar15, are they the real problem . Mark thats 100 correct, what you are saying. Most of murders, suicides are committed with handguns, clearly. But when an individual goes into a school or another place with a lot of people with an ar15 or ar15like weapon, he has the ability to kill a lot of people much more quickly, the round that is fired out of an ar15 moves it over thousand feet per second. It tumbles when it hits a body. It is much more effective at killing a lot of people all at once. Thats why you see its often the gun of choice of mass shooters. Should a 19yearold be able to buy an ar15 but he cant buy a bud light . That probably doesnt make a lot of sense. We have come out for an assault weapons ban. We often dont talk about the hardware our organization is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of people that shouldnt have them, felons, people who are show some form of dangerousness, domestic abusers. Chris with unlimited time. The fact is he went through a background check and he passed it. So none of the alarms went off. I want to switch if i can mark if florida had one of these extremist protection orders may be local Law Enforcement would have had the tools to take that firearm away from him months before this happen. Chris President Trump spoke to the nation after the School Shooting and here was his focus. We are committed to working with state and local leaders to help secure our schools and tackle the difficult issue of Mental Health. Chris in all of his reactions, since the statements since the School Shooting he has not once mentioned guns. How much confidence do you have . You are the students at the beginning that the president and congress it will be different this time, that they will actually take action. Mark these kids are incredibly articulate and certain members of congress are really good at not listening to their constituents. These were forms are supported typically by 7090 of american americans. To have High School Kids who went through this horrific shooting calling for change should matter, i would hope in our society that that would make a difference. This is a very political issue. Weve got to get people to vote on this issue. I can guarantee you that those kids you had on today are going to vote on this issue probably for the rest of their lives and they are going to encourage others to do that as well. Chris as i say goodbye, i always whenever i see you, i want to ask how is gabby doing . Mark she is doing well. Issues in a great mood. Shes working hard. Obviously like most americans shes devastated by what happened in parkland and we are going to continue to work hard to do whatever we can to try and make sure this doesnt happen again. Weve got to keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldnt have them. If we got 4. 4 of the population, 44 of the firearms. If you listen to the National Rifle association or the Rush Limbaugh, you would think we would live in the safest country in the world with a number of firearms. Im a gun owner, im a supporter of the Second Amendment. We cant let these dangerous people have such easy access. People are going to vote on this issue and ive got to believe its going to change. Its changing in the states. We felt pass 200 piece of legislation. Chris our best to gabby. Thank you, thanks for your time today. Mark thanks for having me on, chris. Chris up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the fallout from the florida massacre. Will washington do anything to stop more Rush Limbaugh<\/a>, who joins us live for a Rare Television<\/a> interview. And we will talk about where this leaves debate of gun control with mark kelly, the retired astronaut husband of Gabby Giffords<\/a> and a leader to prevent gun violence. Plus we will hear from a group of survivors who want to rally young people across the country and force action to avoid bloodshed. At what point do we say thats not enough and we call for action . Chris then. They want to promote discord in the United States<\/a> and undermine Public Confidence<\/a> and democracy. Chris we will ask our sunday panel about a sweeping indictment presenting new evidence with how russia interfered in the 2016 president ial election, all right now on fox news sunday. And hello again from fox news in washington. We are still feeling the shock waves from yet another School Shooting<\/a>. The massacre at a Florida High School<\/a> has reignited the debate over guns and Mental Health<\/a> and there are troubling questions about the fbis failure to follow up on warnings about the shooter. In a few minutes we will discuss all of this with Rush Limbaugh<\/a> and gun control advocate mark kelly. But we begin with breaking news. Students from a high school are making an announcement today. Five of them have joined us and i want you to know how sorry we are for what you went through and for the loss of your friends. Cameron, whats your announcement today . Today i would like to announce that we have an event coming up to have everybody in the nation talking about what we are talking about and one of the things weve been hearing is that its not the time you have to talk about gun control and we respect that. Weve lost 17 lies in our community took 17 bullets to the heart and its difficult to come back from that. So here is the time that we are going to talk about gun control. March 24th we have the march for our lives which you can find at marchforourlives. Com. If the march for our lives is going to be in every major city. We are organizing it so students everywhere can beg for our lives. At the end of the the day thist about the g. O. P. And the democrats, this is about adults and kids. At this point you are either with us or against us. In the next election we are saying if you are accepting money from the nra there is a badge of shame on you because you are enabling things. Chris david, do you have a specific agenda on how you think you can protect kids . Are these marches going to be mostly politicians talking to the crowds or is this going to be students trying to mobilize other students . This is a student led Grassroots Movement<\/a> and this is not a debate, this is a discussion between americans because weve had too many debates before and theyve gotten nowhere. We need to discussion where we are both sides. Republicans can talk about Mental Health<\/a> care and the democrats can talk about gun control. But what we need to do here is come together not as democrats or republicans but as americans and Work Together<\/a> to solve this issue because this event occurred on valentines day sadly and sadly 17 people had to take a bullet to the heart and so did our community. This is a time for change and we cant let this ever happen again. Chris let me pick up on that because as terrible i cant even imagine what you kids went through. As terrible as what happened at your school. I dont have to tell you that have been other schools, sandy hook and columbine and so many others and the nation mourns. We are all very upset and then we move on and nothing much happens. What makes you think this time is going to be any different . I think this time is different because immediately the same day as the shooting i immediately went on fox news and talked about how this needed to be different, how this could not be just another mass shooting. Weve had 18 since new years eve and now its the time for discussion. Its not time for debate, its time to Work Together<\/a>. Our elected officials need to get together, over on the political differences and get some things done because they need to save the future of our country in the future of our country are those children that are currently dying because politicians refuse to take action and continue to take money from the special interest groups. Chris finally, emma, take us back to the shooting. How terrifying was it, and is this called for a National March<\/a> on march 24th, is this an effort to give some meaning to the senseless murder of some of your classmates . This is a case of simple please stop. Please stop allowing us to be gunned down in our hallways. People are telling us that we should run for president. We want an education. At this point we are trying so desperately hard to communicate what we are feeling and so many people are listening to us. The older generations every generation is supporting us with countless, countless amount of energy. So many people are coming up to us in the street saying thank you and we want to thank them by communicating what we are trying to communicate. We want to get the support for march for our lives. The website is going up today. We want students to be at that march and to be with us. We want to be with those students who we didnt understand their pain before and its tragic that we all have to understand the same pain now. We are here for everybodys kids. Chris thank you. Thanks for joining us today and i want to invite and if you will come to the march year in washington next month to come back on this program, thank you. Thank you so much for having us. Chris now lets bring in the king of conservative talk radio, Rush Limbaugh<\/a> life from his eib studio in florida. It will come back news sunday. Rush thank you, chris, great to be here with you. Chris what do you think about this idea of students mobilizing across the country, a march on washington, communities, students trying to get politicians to act . Rush what i found interesting about the students they are very articulate and you have to feel for them. Its their lives. If they are a combination scared and angry. But chris, i have to ask if anybody is really serious about solving this because none of this by the way i couldnt care less about the gun angle of this. None of this is going to solve prayers and condolences dont solve it and marches arent going to solve it. The next shooter is out there. The next shooter probably has the gun that hes going to use. The next shooter is known by many people in his community who are concerned that this guy may do what everybody is afraid hes going to do. How is anything that we are talking about going to stop that . We have got to realize this is what our country has become. We can wish that it worked this way and we can wish that congress could legislate it away, but they cant. Its not the fault of the nra. If the fault of the people doing this and our inability to deal with that and stop them. We have security, Armed Security<\/a> at virtually every Public Entity<\/a> in this country except schools. For some reason they are a gun free zone and everybody wants to shoot up a school knows that they are going to be the only one armed. Until one really can get serious about where we are and how did they stop this from happening and marches arent going to do it. Saying no more guns isnt going to do it. Bashing the nra isnt going to do that. Chris it let me ask you about one aspect of this. We have now learned of two cases where the fbi failed to follow up on credible information about the shooter and we have now learned that just last month that someone close to nikolas cruz, the shooter, called the fbi tip line and according to the fbi said this. He talked about his gun ownership, desire to kill people, erratic behavior and disturbing social media posts as well as the potential of him conducting a School Shooting<\/a>. But that information was never forwarded to the miami field office. How do you explain that . Rush i could be snarky and say maybe the fbi should stop trying to find every case of harassment in the white house and maybe they ought to give up on this ridiculous pursuit the russians colluded with trump in the election, but clearly this is my point. A lot of people knew, a lot of people have every bit of knowledge they knew to act on this guy, to surveilled the sky. We told well we cant do anything until the crime is been committed. Thats what has to change and is going to take some really smart people to figure how to do that without violating Civil Liberties<\/a> and the Fourth Amendment<\/a> and so forth. But its clear that the way we deal with this now this is totally political. The students think they are taking politics out of this. The minute they bash the nra, its politics. This is an event that advances a political agenda for the american left and the Democrat Party<\/a> to bash the nra. Chris let me pick up in something you said. You just sit at the beginning i could be snarky and i could say maybe the fbi should stop wasting so much time. You have suggested this in a kind of provocative way on your radio show, the fbi is spending too much time on the trump investigation. But in fact the president tweeted just that last night. I want to put his tweet up. The president said. Rush i said it friday. Chris maybe he listen you. Very sad that the fbi missed all of the many signals set out by the Florida School<\/a> shooter. This is not acceptable. They are spending too much time trying to prove russian collusion with the Trump Campaign<\/a> there is no collusion. Get back to the basics and make us all proud do you really see a connection between the fbi investigating the russia investigation of potential trump connection and the fact that they miss the signals here . Rush no thats why i said i could be snarky. But i am trying to make the point. If the fbi is engaged in a bunch of stuff that is time wasting and isnt going to take us anywhere and its all chris, everything has become politicized, political and his country and thats why we cant solve anything. The minute and i will tell you with a primary perpetrators art of making it political is the media. The media carries one side of this argument, the antigun, antinra and they promote anything and anybody that is promoting that. Once that happens you can forget about a solution. We are never going to get one because politics enters the scene and corrupts it. Chris at the risk of raising your ir and those of your millions of followers, let me ask you a question about guns. To buy a handgun you have to be 21 years old and undergo a three day waiting period back. But to buy a semiautomatic rifle you can be 18 years old and the background check takes just minutes. Question, is that sensible . Rush it may not be sensible. I dont know. My point is thats not the problem. If you ban the ar15 theyre going to fight most of these are handguns anyway. If you ban that they will find some other way to do this. Until we stop them, until we affix blame where it belongs, until we are ready to admit that this is what our country has become we cant go back to the 50s and ozzie and harriet and wish it werent so. Chris you say identify them. There are a lot of disturbed people out in the vast majority dont do anything. Nikolas cruz did do something and there were warning signs. How do you identify them . Rush this guy was identified by everybody that knew him. The fbi knew who he was. If the solution to meet, i know this is going to cause all kinds of angst, but the solution is we need concealed carry in the schools. If we are really serious about protecting the kids, we need a mechanism to be defensive when this kind of think we are not going to take action, to stop , we better have mechanisms in these schools to stop it when it breaks up. If we dont do that than all the rest of this is nothing more than political posturing for the 2018 returns for the 2020 election. Chris thank you. You were coming back later in the program to discuss a number of other issues. I will talk to you in a few minutes. First lets turn to mark kelly, the retired astronaut who became a leader in preventing gun violence after his wife, former congresswoman Gabby Giffords<\/a>, was severely injured by a deranged shooter in 2011. Welcome back. Mark thanks for having me on, chris. Chris in the wake of yet another tragedy and unfortunately the only times you and i talked tend to be after these tragedies, how would you stop more School Shootings<\/a> and what you think about what rush just said, the idea of concealed carry . I know its one of the things were fighting against. Mark let me start with at the top of what rush just discussed with you. He says, first of all, the next shooter is out there, has their firearm, ready to do this, theres nothing we can do to stop it. I would admit that in florida Law Enforcement<\/a> has very few tools to be able to prevent one of these things from happening, even the fbi, but in some states we have been instrumental and have successfully passed things called extreme Risk Protection<\/a> orders or gun violence restraining orders. The state of california, the state of washington, oregon, indiana already had one in place. Connecticut. Law enforcement can be notified by a Family Member<\/a> or maybe they find out about a situation themselves and theres a very short and abbreviated process to temporarily take the firearm away from the person that they believe is having some mental issues and are struggling. So we have already, multiple times, probably dozens of times, prevented these things from happening. You just dont ever know for sure. That situation that you cant stop it, thats actually not true. Chris one of the other questions as the gun. I know one of the things you would like to see is a renewal of the assault weapon ban that was passed in the 1990s and may be a limit on the capacity of these highcapacity magazines. In fact, gun Rights Groups<\/a> point out that the vast majority of murders in the country are not committed with assault weapons, they are committed with handguns. I want to put up some statistics on that. According to the fbi, in 2016, murder victims by handguns, over 7,000. All the murders from rifles, shotguns, and other guns all in the hundreds. So are these assault weapons, the semiautomatic weapons, the ar15, are they the real problem . Mark thats 100 correct, what you are saying. Most of murders, suicides are committed with handguns, clearly. But when an individual goes into a school or another place with a lot of people with an ar15 or ar15like weapon, he has the ability to kill a lot of people much more quickly, the round that is fired out of an ar15 moves it over thousand feet per second. It tumbles when it hits a body. It is much more effective at killing a lot of people all at once. Thats why you see its often the gun of choice of mass shooters. Should a 19yearold be able to buy an ar15 but he cant buy a bud light . That probably doesnt make a lot of sense. We have come out for an assault weapons ban. We often dont talk about the hardware our organization is focused on keeping guns out of the hands of people that shouldnt have them, felons, people who are show some form of dangerousness, domestic abusers. Chris with unlimited time. The fact is he went through a background check and he passed it. So none of the alarms went off. I want to switch if i can mark if florida had one of these extremist protection orders may be local Law Enforcement<\/a> would have had the tools to take that firearm away from him months before this happen. Chris President Trump<\/a> spoke to the nation after the School Shooting<\/a> and here was his focus. We are committed to working with state and local leaders to help secure our schools and tackle the difficult issue of Mental Health<\/a>. Chris in all of his reactions, since the statements since the School Shooting<\/a> he has not once mentioned guns. How much confidence do you have . You are the students at the beginning that the president and congress it will be different this time, that they will actually take action. Mark these kids are incredibly articulate and certain members of congress are really good at not listening to their constituents. These were forms are supported typically by 7090 of american americans. To have High School Kids<\/a> who went through this horrific shooting calling for change should matter, i would hope in our society that that would make a difference. This is a very political issue. Weve got to get people to vote on this issue. I can guarantee you that those kids you had on today are going to vote on this issue probably for the rest of their lives and they are going to encourage others to do that as well. Chris as i say goodbye, i always whenever i see you, i want to ask how is gabby doing . Mark she is doing well. Issues in a great mood. Shes working hard. Obviously like most americans shes devastated by what happened in parkland and we are going to continue to work hard to do whatever we can to try and make sure this doesnt happen again. Weve got to keep guns out of the hands of people that shouldnt have them. If we got 4. 4 of the population, 44 of the firearms. If you listen to the National Rifle<\/a> association or the Rush Limbaugh<\/a>, you would think we would live in the safest country in the world with a number of firearms. Im a gun owner, im a supporter of the Second Amendment<\/a>. We cant let these dangerous people have such easy access. People are going to vote on this issue and ive got to believe its going to change. Its changing in the states. We felt pass 200 piece of legislation. Chris our best to gabby. Thank you, thanks for your time today. Mark thanks for having me on, chris. Chris up next we will bring in our sunday group to discuss the fallout from the florida massacre. Will washington do anything to stop more School Shootings<\/a> . Announcer brought to you by chevron, finding better ways to do what you do to keep doers doing. Okay, i picked out my dream car. Nows the really fun part choosing the color, the wheels, the interior. Everything exactly how i want it. Heres the thing, just because i configured this car online doesnt mean it really exists at a dealership. But with truecar, i get real pricing on actual cars in my area, i see what others paid for them and they show me the ones that match the car i want, so i know i can go to a truecar certified dealer and itll be right there waiting for me. Today, right now. This is truecar. I would rather pass gun safety legislation then win the election because people die from this. This is not the time to jump to some conclusion not knowing the full facts. We got a lot more information we need to know. Chris House Democratic<\/a> leader nancy pelosi and House Speaker<\/a> paul ryan with very different reactions to the shooting at Marjory Stoneman<\/a> douglas. Its time now for our sunday group. The head of Heritage Action<\/a> for america, michael needham. Charles lane of the washington post. Julie pace, Washington Bureau<\/a> chief for the Associated Press<\/a> and former press secretary to Vice President<\/a> pence, marc lotter. Julie, as i talked about with the students i dont want to call them kids, they are far to mature and articulate for that weve seen the frustration, the anger after previous massacres whether its newtown or las vegas or on and on. We all wring our hands, we all call for action, nothing gets done. Is there any realistic reason to think this time will be any different . I havent seen any realistic reason of the than the fact that they students are quite articulate and quite powerful in their messaging and certainly i remember these days after newtown and washington. It was as rattled that as i han this city. It lawmakers on both sides of the aisle for a period of time or calling for action across a pretty wide spectrum and still nothing really got done. After las vegas we saw a call from again both democrats and from republicans on the bump stocks, which is something the shooter had used. Weve seen no action on that. Continuing the momentum that these students have started is going to be a real challenge. The one place i would say where we have seen some action and you could potentially see the possibility for more is at the state level. New york and connecticut for some of these shootings have taken action. That seems to be more realistic than the national legislation. Chris the problem is as weve seen in chicago with the Gang Violence<\/a> you can have tough laws in the state and the guns still come in. I think a lot of people have been struck by the fact that President Trump<\/a> and all of his responses has not once mentioned the word guns. As a candidate and as a private citizen, actually, before that, he was strongly in favor of the assault weapons ban as a citizen of new york, but he became a very strong supporter of the nra as a candidate and as president and here he is talking to the group last april. You came through for me and i am going to come through for you. [cheers and applause] chris do you see the president supporting any new gun control . I think the question is going to be is what do we do to prevent and secure the schools . Thats where the president is focused right now, whether its working with state and local officials on securing the schools, Mental Health<\/a> issues. And then also identifying those areas possibly where the ball was dropped. And from an investigatory and Law Enforcement<\/a> standpoint to prevent a person with this kind of potential Mental Illness<\/a> in these kinds of thoughts having the gun and being able to get into the school. Chris all of those are clearly legitimate, but what about the argument that you heard from mark kelly that when you get a disturbed person like nikolas cruz, and yes he should have been stopped long before, gets into a school not with a gun, not with a knife, but with an ar15, highcapacity magazines, it becomes a weapon of mass destruction . I think, again, we are pushing on one specific gun. As you said earlier in the segment, handguns can commit far more crimes or more people die with handguns. Weve had Mass Shootings<\/a> with handguns, not just the ar15. I think it best to balance all of those very real issues and i think thats why maybe there are loopholes we can close. Maybe there are some things we can do, thats probably where the congress is leaning right now, its where the president is leaning and working with states on that. Chris chuck . Everything everyone says has some truth to it. You cant stop every single one. It Mental Health<\/a> is important, but its not the whole story. Handguns kill et cetera, et cetera. When you reduce it all out, what distinguishes this country for most of its peers in the world is the easy availability of guns. Whether thats going to be dealt with at the state level the way i was very interested to hear about this extreme emergency provision they have in some states that dont have in florida. There has to be something done at the margin to make it a little more difficult for a person with a lot of trouble to get a weapon like this. So the politics of it at a certain point are going to have to catch up with the policy. I do agree with julie. I dont see the politics being there yet. One of the most interesting things in the wake of this was the arguments coming out of a democratic candidate in a special election in western pennsylvania, trump country. He was the one shying away from more gun control. In some parts of this country, this isnt even a democraticrepublican issue. Its very regional, rural populations will resist this and we will be stuck where weve always been. Chris i want to pick up on another aspect of this because sometimes the shooters come out of nowhere. Ive never dreamt that he would do it, but there were warning sign after warning sign, two dozen times local authorities were called with concerns about this kid and then we learned about these extraordinary failures by the fbi, including the one, as we mentioned at the top of the show, were somebody calls the fbi to plan and identified cruz as a threat. Here was the fbi response. Under normal protocol of this information should have been provided to the miami field office. Steps have been taken. The fbi has determined that protocol was not followed. Chris how do you explain that and should they be repercussions . We should find out what happened and if protocols werent followed, that should be followed up on. Should also keep in mind the men and women of the fbi that are incredible, im sure they are as devastated as anybody. What chuck said that what differentiates america from the rest of the world, thats not true. What actually differentiates us as we have a system of government that protects people and their rights from an oppressive government, from tyranny. We shouldnt be as casual as some of this conversation is about taking away Second Amendment<\/a> rights, their Fourth Amendment<\/a> right to due process. Even if we knew all of this, even of the red flags had been identified the way they should have been in those areas hadnt happened, what you do next is the question. Its very easy in the light of tragedy to say its very simple to take away peoples rights. Chris knowing what you know about nikolas cruz, should have been able to get an ar15 . I think theres a long conversation about everything that should have happened. Obviously nobody thinks that nikolas cruz should have had an ar15. How you get from that statement, which 100 of americans can agree with to an actual Public Policy<\/a> that achieves that while also respecting the rights of the millions and millions of americans. Thats why this is such a difficult issue and we shouldnt be casual about that. Chris we have to take a break here. We will see you a little later. When we come back, the one and only Rush Limbaugh<\/a>s back life to discuss the other news, and there was a lot of it this way, including whats next for the dreamers after the Senate Rejects<\/a> plans from both the left and right. Chris coming up, the president S National Security<\/a> advisor says the new fbi indictments proved russia interfered in the 2016 election. Come as you can see with the fbi indictment, the evidence is incontrovertible. Chris rush limbau chris this has been another one of those weeks in the trump air out with major developments in a number of areas, from an immigration deadlock in the senate, to an explosive indictment in the russia investigation. Rush limbaugh is back with us again to discuss it all and as i try to explain to your listeners, if i interrupt you its just to move you along so we can cover more territory. Rush ive given you they are very much aware of this that might happen, and you are cool. You are gold. Chris lets start with the russia investigation and the announcement of the indictment alleging a sophisticated russian scheme to try to interfere with the 2016 president ial election. Heres what canada trump said about all of this during the campaign and what the Deputy Attorney<\/a> general said on friday. Could be russia, but it could also be china. Could also be lots of other people. It also could be somebody sitting on the band that that s 400 pounds. They conducted what they Call Information<\/a> warfare against the United States<\/a>. The stated goal of spreading distrust towards the candidates in the political system in general. Chris i want to emphasize that there is no evidence in the Deputy Attorney<\/a> general made it clear, no evidence of any collusion between the Trump Campaign<\/a> and the russians, but doesnt this indictment disprove what mr. Trump has been saying all along, that any talk about the russians is a hoax and that the special counsel investigation is a witch hunt . Rush i would be very careful if i were President Trump<\/a> here. This is just one of many different areas the special counsel is investigating. Without getting into details of this, because i think this everybody is trying to affect the outcome of elections. Everyone is poisoning the internet. Everybodys doing it. Both parties, insane lunatic individuals. The problem is that its illegal for russia to do it. The danger for the president is it would be very, i think, seductive for them to embrace this. Total embrace this, ive been vindicated the worst thing he could do in his world is to validate this whole investigation by claiming victory here, because what if down the road there is another indictment or series of indictments that do name trump or do name the russians and Trump Campaign<\/a> is colluding, because thats what this is about. This is about getting trump. This whole thing is about setting trump up for impeachment if the democrats when back in 2018. Donald trump remains in the cross hairs. He is the target and there is no let up in that. No matter what the indictment does or doesnt say. Chris let me pick up on that because you say the real scandal here is the effort by the Clinton Campaign<\/a> and the Obama Administration<\/a> to try and sabotage candidate trump and now President Trump<\/a>. Rush theres no question about it. If you look at this indictment ive had people say that does this mean that hillary could be indicted or fusion gps . No. This indictment doesnt charge anybody with collusion. It says they defrauded the United States<\/a> with mail fraud and wire fraud. If you cant get the fusion gps or steal people. Well collusion. Theres no question about this. This is a paid political opposition document that was made to look like legitimate intelligence. It was perhaps used to defraud the fisa court. Chris youre talking about the dossier her . Rush and pretty much everything that theyve used. I was on this program one year ago, one year ago and i told you that this whole thing, the term collusion with the russians was bogus, that there was never going to be the evidence for it and did not happen. Every news story about it since then has included that just like this indictment right here. No allegation in the indictment that any american was a knowing participant, nor is there any allegation that it affected the outcome of the election. Chris let me ask you, the president s top Foreign Policy<\/a> advisor in the campaign in the first couple of weeks of his white house, general michael flynn, pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. As another campaign advisor, george papadopoulos. Arent you at least curious to find out what they have to say . Rush im glad you bring that up. In the flynn episode we had one sense that the good people that conducted the interview, peter strzok, did not believe he lied. A number of other people in the fbi did not believe he lied and yet is under indictment, cops a plea for lying. Chris why do you think he pleaded guilty . He pleaded guilty. Rush maybe he wasnt told they had run him dry. His family was being destroyed. His financial net worth was destroyed. He was being broken. He had to stop the bleeding. The question was what was flynn told by the fbi, by james comey . Was he told by the special counsel by the way, the fbi does not believe he lied in their interview, in your interview with them. If that seems to me to be crucial in the new judge in this case i think is going to dig that up. I think this is all politics and it hasnt changed from the getgo. It is about protecting hillary and obama. All of the spying and collusion to destroy trump happened with his knowledge and probably encouragement. The reason hillary isnt charged is because that would mean obama would have to be exposed as participating in the scheme. Chris lets move on to immigration. The senate voted down four proposals this week, everything from the president s basic plan to a bipartisan plan. On your radio show, you recently said that you would be willing to grant citizenship to all of the dreamers in return for full funding for the border wall, and at a certain point after a lot of pressure, the democrats seemed to agree to that of the president demanded more. Whats going on here . Rush this will take a lot to unpack. Its a political issue the democrats do not want solved. All this is is an effort by the Democrat Party<\/a> to provide for themselves a current underclass. They need a permanent underclass that is dependent on the government for their survival. Thats why they werent Illegal Immigrants<\/a> granted citizenship. They dont want the issue solved. They dont want any issue solved legislatively or otherwise before the 2018 elections. I think trump is exposing that with the partial proposals. Hes giving and pretty much what they want and they are turning it down because they dont want solved. I will make you another deal right here. I would be willing radio to support an effort to grant permanent citizenship to whatever number of Illegal Immigrants<\/a> there are in the country tomorrow if you will make as part of the deal they cant vote for 1525 years. If they will agree to that than i will grant them amnesty. Chris well, thats pretty interesting. It let me to a couple of rush you will get zero takers on that on the democratic side. Chris youre pretty powerful but im not sure you can make that deal on behalf of congress and the president. Pretty interesting. Let me turn to the president. You say in year one that donald trump has had one of the most productive years not first years, any years, of any modern president. Explain. Rush its undeniable. You look at the economy just this first year and compared to the eight years of obama. Even the last 12 years, if you want to. We have not had this kind of economic revival in the economy. Wall street has been going crazy for a long time but in the economy, in the place where people work, the people who make the country work, their lives are changing dramatically, overwhelmingly, economically. Look at all the wage increases, the new jobs, the bonuses and the expansion of benefits. The president is delivering on many of the things that he committed to and promised. In the democrats demagogue and lied about the tax cut telling everybody there taxes were going to go up. The democrats now are beginning to regret they can see the polling data, they can see the people are starting to really love this tax reform bill because they are finding out the democrats lied to them about it, and theres not one democrat fingerprint on it. Theres not a single democrat that can claim any credit for this massively booming United States<\/a> economy. Chris let me just pick up on one last thing, because he certainly deserves credit for a lot of things, but he failed to repeal obamacare. He and the congress. He has approved his new spending plan which is going to add half a trillion dollars to the National Debt<\/a> over the next two years. Does that disappoint you . Do you hear about it from any of your listeners . Rush that is a fascinating question. In terms of this budget busting spending, i havent had one call or complain about it. Not sure i will now. But i havent had one. Its been surprising to me that there hasnt been a single complaint compared to the spending complaining in 2010 when the tea party was founded. But i think the massive size of these deficits is not going to be as large as predicted because of the tax cut. If theres going to be revenue flowing into washington they arent counting. Its deficit building, there is no question. Its not going to be nearly as highend as bad, bad as people think it is. Chris youve got about 45 seconds, obamacare. Rush we got rid of the individual mandate. Thats the guts of it. Informal repeal and replace, that hasnt happened. May be a mistake to do it first, not sure. But this is just the second year. Theres all times of time to come back. They are just getting started. Chris thank you. Thank you for joining us again today. When i interrupted, it was just a move along so you could hear him on more subjects. Its always a pleasure to talk with you. Come back. Rush any time you want me, im here. Chris up next, our sunday grip returns to discuss new charges in the special counsels investigation, the indictment of 13 russian nationals were trying to disrupt the 2016 election. There is no allegation in this indictment that any american was a knowing participant in this illegal activity. There is no allegation in the indictment that it altered the outcome of the 2016 election. Chris Deputy Attorney<\/a> general Rod Rosenstein<\/a> announcing the indictment 13 russian nationals and three companies by the special counsel. Taking pains to emphasize what is not being alleged and we are back now with our panel. Chuck, what do you think the new indictment of the russian shows and what about the fact that this is another example of theres not a scintilla of evidence about collusion between the russians on the Term Campaign<\/a> . Its a fascinating document on many levels. On the legal level none of these versions are ever going to be prosecuted. We can forget about that. Chris because they are all in russia and they wont be extradited . Yes. Do your point about the collusion, clearly they were at pains to show there is no part of collusion and is part of the story. It left open is the question about the donald trump meeting allegedly peddling dirt on hillary. That hasnt been resolved. And then of course the big open question is obstruction and whether there was anything in that regard. What i see is muellers articling piece by piece. He has finished off this piece, the russian troll farm and propaganda. Between the lines of the indictment, especially since its not going to lead to any prosecution, i read it is almost a warning. Our internal divisions are getting to the point where they can be manipulated from the outside. I think in the form of this indictment, almost issuing a wakeup call to the American People<\/a> about the need for more national unity. Chris President Trump<\/a> treated the indictment as a kind of vindication that all the allegations against him had been dismissed. Lets put up one of his tweets after the indictment. The Term Campaign<\/a> did nothing wrong, no collusion. Is the president jumping the gun claiming that hes been exonerated here . And are you struck as a lot of people are that even if he is off the hook, this indicates a real russian interference in our election, the president is not talking about that. I think the last point is where the focus should be. The president obviously feels there wasnt collusion. Theres been no evidence that collusion has come up. The rest of the investigation will show whether or not that plays out. Theres an interesting tidbit that the head of advertising a facebook put out in the last couple of days. The russians actually spent more money at 30 election than they did before the election. That goes to chucks point right now. There was a hostile foreign power that is trying to sow discontent in this country, that is trying to tear us apart and all of us as americans need to be aware that i need to come together. Chris the president isnt talking about that and there are reports that he hasnt had a single National Security<\/a> council meeting, a single Cabinet Meeting<\/a> forget involvement or complete exoneration, about what everybody in the Intelligence Community<\/a> says, they say this is a real threat what they will do in 2018. Theres no doubt the president is extraordinarily frustrated that people using this story and a story that so far has no evidence, to try and discredit his presidency and his ability to get things done on behalf of the American People<\/a>. That doesnt excuse the fact that all of us in all parts of government, all of us on the outside need to care about our critical infrastructure. We need to care about Election Integrity<\/a> and we need to come together as americans and make sure that we dont allow a hostile foreign power to tear us apart. Chris lets turn to another big issue this week, thats immigration and daca and the failure of the senate to pass any of the four proposals that were up there. President trump says its all up to the democrats. We think theres a good chance of getting daca done if the democrats are serious and they actually want to do it. Chris do you think the president and republicans can sell that to voters, that if there is a failure on daca and the dreamers if the democrats both . After all, if the president who rolled back, who rescinded the daca protections last fall. Most people thought in an Illegal Program<\/a> to begin with so the court was likely to roll it back regardless. Chris know we need to point out that there are two courts that the president s rolling back of the program is illegal and they stopped it. I have a feeling that the president s legal standing will be upheld by the supreme court. Heres the thing, once we get the democrats got what they wanted. They shut the government down for this. Pathway to citizenship and the president was very firm in saying i want money to secure the border, to build the wall and to reform the immigration system and yet they still cant get to yes on this. Theres going to be an effort in the house to continue to move this discussion forward and may be because the deadline of marca temporary hold because of the court action, once Congress Faces<\/a> the deadline, thats typically when they start moving again. Chris julie, what you hear from your sources at the white house . Have they given up on getting a deal with the dreamers . Because whatever the house passes could be even more conservative than what was rejected by the senate. And are there any second thoughts . Yes the president made a huge concession in saying im willing to give a path to citizenship to 1. 8 million people, more than democrats were even asking for. Democrats made a concession and said we will fund the wall. Is there any second thoughts about walking away from that . No. Actually the opposite. The loudest and most influential voices in the white house on immigration are actually people who opposed that deal because they felt like it was too forward moving. Would have given citizenship to too many people in this country right now. The president s crew are being influenced by those voices. Very comfortable with where they are on this issue. I do think that its an open question on whether the president himself will end up on this. He is someone who does he himself as a great dealmaker. He someone who also sees himself as i need to fulfill this promise of the border wall. I was always struck going to Campaign Rallies<\/a> for trump that the people in the crowd whether they believed he would fulfill the promises mostly hat actually did largely believe in the immigration principal and trump understands the need to fulfill those promises for his base. If he does see that there is an opening in a couple of weeks to move on this, to be able to fulfill this promise for funding the border wall, he will override some of these advisors who have been so influential. Its hard to know. The president has publicly flipflopped on this over the last couple of weeks in the meetings hes had with lawmakers publicly versus what he said privately. I think its a very open question at this point. Chris we got about 30 seconds. How do you think it plays . Lets assume that the court issue gets settled, and we shouldnt assume that, and dreamers start getting deported. How is that going to play . I think the dreamer issue is one that has a lot of support from both republicans and democrats. Chris the idea of protecting them . Both parties on the white house to allow those dreamers to be deported. Chris see you next sunday. We will be back with a final word. Ls heres the thing, just because i configured this car online doesnt mean it really exists at a dealership. 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