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Step, so it's quite late and it's definitely not satisfactory. and what i'm saying is not... that the eu should take itself seriously, because it should keep the european union together. it is extraordinarily important in our time we live in. i'm also saying that liberal democratic parties or countries�* leaders should also demonstrate success. they have to demonstrate for their own people and for other europeans that this is the best possible way of governance, because this is what viktor 0rban is questioning. he is openly questioning whether the western liberal democracy is still the best ...

So, 0rban got to power again at 2010, as you say, after the 2008 financial crisis. so it was a very fortunate moment because hungary made very badly in the financial crisis. and he got a landslide victory, which was a genuine victory. and ever since, he changed the environment for the elections. and it's very interesting to see, whether hungary's a democracy or not, what actually democracy is, because fidesz and 0rban claims that this is a democratic party and hungary is a democratic country because there are elections. but the question is whether this is enough for a democracy. and i think th...

System is majoritarian. so either—or, it's winner takes all. so they have to work together. but before each elections, the election rules are changed. either the party financing or how opposition parties can cooperate. there were, in the last five years, more than 12 or 20 changes in the election rules. i don't think anybody would dispute that 0rban has tried using his power in the parliament to make the playing field as favourable to him as he possibly can — within the rules, within the constitution. i understand that. but your case is somewhat exaggerated, is it not? you claim, for examp...

I'm also saying that liberal democratic parties or countries' leaders should also demonstrate success. they have to demonstrate for their own people and for other europeans that this is the best possible way of governance, because this is what viktor 0rban is questioning. he is openly questioning whether the western liberal democracy is still the best form of governance. so, first of all, i think the resistance, the resilience of the liberal democracy is super important and it must show success and result. it is clear 0rban has thrived as a culture warrior. he has, for example, made sure that ...

He refuses to consider giving greater rights, better treatment to the roma minority in hungary. are these all...? these are all cultural issues, in a sense. are these issues where the opposition should choose to fight, i.e., should the opposition engage in a quote—unquote "culture war" with 0rban? well, that's a very important question. well, what's the answer? i don't think it's... he calls it culture war, but it's actually in identity politics what he's doing. and what fidesz party is doing with this overwhelming dominance of the media and communication is that they introduced several year...