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Brakes being applied? on thursday, the united states rejected russia's central demand that ukraine should neverjoin nato. sergei lavrov, the russian foreign minister, said that although the biden administration had not addressed its main concern about the western military alliance, its expansion, there's, quote, "hope for the start of a serious conversation on secondary questions". a fortnight ago, just a fortnight ago, the kremlin said, "we will not be satisfied with the endless dragging out of this process." and russia's representative at the organisation for security and cooperation in euro...

And the french, who are not going to die for ukraine three months before a presidential election, so all this, you have also forgot to say that there is a very strong, not pro—russian, but sympathy to russia lobbying the eu, with germany, which has refused british planes bringing arms to ukraine to go through and refused to meetjoe biden and you have greece and cyprus and others, so it does not look good and i think mr putin is winning at the moment. isobel, only one of the meetings that took place in that flurry of diplomacy a week ago actually directly involved ukraine itself, the meeting ...

Thank you, steve. now, behind the drumbeat of war, did wejust hear the faint sound of brakes being applied? on thursday, the united states rejected russia's central demand that ukraine should neverjoin nato. sergei lavrov, the russian foreign minister, said that although the biden administration had not addressed its main concern about the western military alliance, its expansion, there's, quote, "hope for the start of a serious conversation on secondary questions". a fortnight ago, just a fortnight ago, the kremlin said, "we will not be satisfied with the endless dragging out of this process....

This is up to them to decide who is going to be in charge, but what russian side says — ukraine should not for such policy as they have been doing for years. i mean, the nazis, and they are doing horrible things toward russians. for example, banning russian language. for example, killing people on donbas. they must stop doing this. yeah, all of your allegations about genocide against the ethnic russian peoples in east ukraine have been dismissed by independent international investigators. they've been utterly dismissed. before we end, though, i want to ask you... who are they independent fro...

In east ukraine have been dismissed by independent international investigators. they've been utterly dismissed. before we end, though, i want to ask you... who are they independent from? i want to ask you something else. why do you ban rt, then? the 0sce has been monitoring events in eastern ukraine for years now. they totally dismiss your talk of genocide. so, they would... so they would say that for eight years, nobody from the ukrainian side shoot people in donbas. but they did. what about these independent journalists? let me ask you something, miss butina. we're almost out of time. let me...