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Popular, barack obama is the last guy to win a huge electoral margin as well as a huge margin of the popular vote. he won 51%, a clear win, 51% in 2012 and 2016 it went below. he won by 10 million votes the first time. he was extremely popular. 94%, 95% popularity with democrats. just as a political matter, should there be a democratic version of the 11th commandment, that you do not speak ill of the former democratic president. this is the model and we want to build on what he did but you never attack him. >> yeah, joy, i certainly think so. i can't quite figure out what the strategy was with...

Party. looking back, ryan says, he should have known better. you know wisconsin. you know ryan. you know trump. what do you make of this dispute? is this personal? is this a misread of where the party is? and where do you fit? >> well, i consider paul ryan a friend. i've got a good working relationship with the president. i've always abided by the ronald reagan 11th commandment. i think we do need to realize, as republicans and conservatives -- >> president trump doesn't abide by that. >> we need to hang together here. so i think we've accomplished a lot of good things the last few years. we h...

I don't know how you fix that. >> i think he's got to get out there more and test himself. i think he wasn't used to it. he's going to get attacked. there is no 11th commandment as ronald reagan used to say in this democratic party this time. if biden is going to prove to people he can fight and win, he better do it. he better try. >> we've now gone through two nights of debates. these same people qualified for our debate at the end of july. the only difference is we're going to know who has money left in the bank and who doesn't. there's going to be more desperation on the debate stage. >> wh...

Over-charge in his report? >> i think there's a couple of things coming into play here. number one, i think that bob mueller is a man of high integrity, honor, character and more than any other special prosecutor, special counsel, he has really kept a tight lid on this whole investigation. and anybody sitting back, looking at what happened, arthel, if anybody thinks that bob mueller was going to walk out of his office like moses carrying the 11th commandment that said thou shall not support trump, they were not reading the tea leaves very well. the problem is, the report -- mueller's report ca...

Believed this country a lot and he believed in this country. >> she did go on to shame your party for allowing the president to get away with what he has gotten away with, to your point. what do you think? >> well, look, ronald reagan had the 11th commandment which was not to speak ill of another republican and i can tell you he didn't do that when he ran for president in 1976 and 1980 in the republican primary. he was tough and it was within the bounds of normal, political discourse, and what i think the comment was once the election's over, you sort of try to be civil and particularly within...