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The unions to do that. pension and benefit reform has led to $124 billion in savings over the next 30 years. sounds like a conservative record. that's the record i've had in new jersey and i'm proud of it. >> this is the toughest question i have to ask you. it's about new jersey and the economy. new jersey since you've been governor has had nine downgrades by financial surfaces likeervices like moody's. you can see the down grade coming. what would your answer be? >> i have inherited a basket case. all of this is about the pension situation. and i've said we've got to fix the pension situation...

The unions to do that. pension and benefit reform has led to $124 billion in savings over the next 30 years. sounds like a conservative record. that's the record i've had in new jersey and i'm proud of it. >> this is the toughest question i have to ask you. it's about new jersey and the economy. new jersey since you've been governor has had nine downgrades by financial surfaces likeervices like moody's. you can see the down grade coming. what would your answer be? >> i have inherited a basket case. all of this is about the pension situation. and i've said we've got to fix the pension situation...

Themselves. i'm watching the big bullying problem on television. i feel for the parents. i think some parents are clueless how to handle this. i think it might help. >> i hear what you're saying but here is the thing. as i read it, the parents if they don't go to the classes, the child will be held back a grade. who is being punished, children for not being parented correctly. >> the thing is you're a great parent. you're able to handle these things. you're in the media. >> you still have to go. >> still have to go. >> how do they know more than somebody else. trying to get the common denomina...

I think that goes against having good relations with your allies. >> a fair point. but of course, senator paul, people on the other side say america doesn't have the luxury of not spying when other people are spying. if your allies are spying on you, then you got no choice. >> yeah. didn't we have something about that when we were children about two wrong don't make a right? i would say i want our government to spy on terrorists, on people who they have probable cause they may attack us. but i think wasting time like spying on 70 million spaniards or 30 million french or 124 billion pieces of ...

Then you've got no choice. >> yeah. didn't we have something about that when we were children about two wrongs don't make a right? i want our government to say that on terrorists, on people who they have probable cause that may attack us. but i think wasting time, spying on 70 million spaniards or 30 million french or 124 billion pieces of information from americans, i don't feel any safer. but do i feel like my privacy is being intruded on. i think the rest of the world feels that way. the question is will it eventually have downer productive effects, us being that great spy lord for the whol...