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The more that you talk to people who are close to the president, the more you talk to people who told him something, or heard something for him, the closer you are to proving his intent. but there's a big difference between what he's told and what he knows. you could spend the next month telling me about quantum physics, and you could prove you told it to me that you couldn't prove that i understood it and you know, on one hand i would always talk about how ignorant president trump is, and on the other, do we really expect that he understood the contours of the 1887 electoral counteract, or th...

President trump had in one ear all of the officials, members of his team who we heard who said that this plan was illegal, but on the other side he had eastman saying he could do it. now we know that even, according to mark short, eastman acknowledged that it was a violation of the 12th amendment in the presence of the former president. he did it anyway. what are your big take-aways from what we heard in the most recent hearing? >> first, it was incredibly astonishing, i attended the hearing in person yesterday and everyone knew that what they wanted the vice president at the time to do was il...

Was an attempted coup. it was an attempt to overthrow democracy. it was an attempt to stop dead in its tracks on january 6th the peaceful transition of power and that was a coup. it was a multi-facetted criminal conspiracy led by the president of the united states to stop by whatever means necessary the proper counting of electoral votes under the 12th amendment. >> that's what we'll hear starting thursday evening. tune in to cnn. we'll be covering them live. thanks one and all for being here. "top gun: maverick" is breaking box office records. is it also taking a geopolitical stand? that's ...

He joins me now. george, we have the big reveal here of what this memo was. and it's create granular and how they envisioned this, say truly, cool being pulled off. what is your impression of it? >> absolutely, the judge was absolutely right to order released under the crime fraud exception, it was an attempt to completely overturn the election, and refused to apply the electoral count act, which under the 12th amendment governs the counting the vote by congress, not that the president. there's even a sentence where a phrase leading into the paragraph, in the mother says any of the outcome ske...

In a way that would set the stage for a failure of a majority in the electoral college. and then, kicking the whole thing into the house of representatives, under the 12th amendment, for a so-called, contingent election. so, that was the whole thing. and when we got to the floor, at 1:00 on january 6th, i was very attentive to what was mike pence going to do. and he ended up sending us this memo, which went out to everybody in congress, saying, he couldn't do what donald trump was asking him to do. but the thing that really blew my mind is when we started hearing the crowd chanting, hang mike ...