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Questions when they're thinking of their constituents. the average back wages more or less about $3,200. total unpaid so far over $2.6 billion. more or less those are the numbers. so why can't left or right look at these numbers and go, hey, let's just finish this. >> exactly right. i think has the pressure builds and this starts to affect people who aren't federal employees, that will drive the parties to a come pipromi compromise. it's the contract workers and there are 38 million people on food stamps that might see their benefits cut. there are $140 billion of tax refunds that typically go...

Workers, the security guards, janitors, cafeteria workers who will never get back pay along the way, think about the small business owners who rely on national parks. you mentioned it at the outside, think about the 30 million people that rely on food stamps, who might not get their food stamps, $140 billion of tax refund, that might not go out the door. this is going to have a very powerful, ripple effect throughout the economy. yesterday we had fantastic job numbers. i don't expect those numbers to continue if this shutdown drags on. >> alexei, when you look at the politics of this, there's ...

I am sorry to go back 25 years ago when greenspan, who was the fed chairman, and lloyd benson, the treasury secretary made this deal, it was we're going to cut the deficit $140 billion and that was enough to cause the federal reserve to reach this gentlemen's agreement. if we are just going to have the situation we're in right now, trump is not inclined to give, and the democrats are not inclined to give and there's a government shutdown, and somebody has to be brave and say let's sit down and talk. i see "the wall street journal" this morning is asking the question, have there been r

Saying sanctions are coming. can you tell us a little bit about what this means going forward with our relationship with the iranian regime? >> when i was in the white house, we had a phrase to express the president's objective with whether it's north korea, iran, or russia or other problem states and that was "behavior modification." iran remains the greatest threat to stability in the middle east, a threat to our closest friends, such as israel, a threat to jordan and others. this package of sanctions is an attempt, a very robust attempt to make sure that behavior modification occurs, as opp...

Tariffs at that point, and now they have. xi jinping certainly knew what china was going to do and that was to retaliate. we heard very quickly after that announcement from the white house that china would retaliate in kind. they will levy $50 billion of tariffs on american imports here to china. part of that list would include things smaller airplanes, fruits, a whole wide list of products, $50 billion in tariffs represents almost a third of what the u.s. sends to china each year, around $140 billion or so in exports from the u.s. to china. so that's going to hit those consumers. take soybean...