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Around him including himself, that in itself would be an obstruction of justice and a violation of section 1503 of title xviii. so i don't think he can get away with this ultimately because if he keeps pardoning himself for the same obstruction, he's just going to keep obstructing. so ultimately he's in the soup. >> wow. pardoning them, pardon me, mr. president. this is complicated. now we have to turn to another exclusive interview, keir simmons en fuego in russia with foreign minister sergey lavrov. lavrov attended the bilateral meeting between president trump and president putin at the g-20...

Just about the ends justifying the means and taking down a president that you don't like, then you need to care about what the statutes of obstruction say in this country. and i'm telling you that section 1503 has been interpreted by every court to be limited to a pending judicial or quasi-judicial proceeding. an fbi investigation is not that, so there is simply no violation of any existing statute under the facts as we know it right now. if those facts on the ground change, i'll be the first one to concede that there may be an applicable pending charge. to try to trump up an obstruction of ju...

The president simply cannot be guilty of obstructing justice because as head of the executive branch, he can completely control any prosecution. the supreme court has twice rejected that view. unanimously in the nixon case, by a vote of 8-1 in the morrison case. the fact is that the president has all kinds of powers, but if he abuses them, for example, by accepting a bribe from russia or any of a number of other things, if he does in a corrupt way or with threats of the kind that he made to comey about his retaining his job, if in either of those ways he interferes with the due administration ...

Then you look at 1503 which professor tribe just cited or maybe 1510, or 1512, all of which deal with obstruction of pending proceedings. the word proceeding is a legal term of art. it does not include an fbi investigation. and every single court that has looked at that question has said an fbi investigation is not a pending proceeding within the meaning of the obstruction statutes. >> all right, let me get larry tribe in here because we're on television and this might be getting too technical. >> well, i obviously don't agree. i don't agree. i'm a lawyer, too. i have read those statutes. 1503...

Just about the ends justifying the means and taking down a president that you don't like, then you need to care about what the statutes of obstruction say in this country. and i'm telling you that section 1503 has been interpreted by every court to be limited to a pending judicial or quasi-judicial proceeding. an fbi investigation is not that, so there is simply no violation of any existing statute under the facts as we know it right now. if those facts on the ground change, i'll be the first one to concede that there may be an applicable pending charge. to try to trump up an obstruction of ju...