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Court judge david carter examined just a small subset of our evidence to determine whether it showed the likely commission of a federal offense. the judge concluded that both former president donald trump and john eastman likely violated two federal criminal statutes. this is the starting point for our analysis today. the first criminal statute we invoke for referral, therefore, is title 18, section 1512-c which makes it unlawful for anyone to corruptly obstruct, influence or impede any official proceeding of the united states government. we believe that the evidence described by my colleagues...

Related to three potential crimes -- 18 usc 1001, which relates to fall statements, 18 usc 371, which relates to conspiracy, and 18 usc 1512, which relates to -- is katie benner a justice correspondent who has been following up the twist in terms of the justice investigation. -- katie what does all this tell us about where this investigation is a wet may or may not be related -- jeffrey clark. >> -- a still in a very developmental phase. as we know, last week, they issued more than 40 subpoenas to various trump associates to find various information. and we'll take quite a bit of time to call ...

Know she was a witness and i talk golf, putin, who knows? who knows what he could have said? but this is why the report today is so important because it says this isn't someone that trump regularly talked to, and that's going to blow a hole in his defense and the statute of the criminal law, 1512, criminalizes not just intimidation of witnesses or tampering, but an attempt to do so. so when you ask what is the justice going to do it's pretty easy. you bring trump in as you would anyone with an allegation of witness tampering and you ask them under oath with the section 1,001 of lying to a fede...

Congresswoman liz cheney, of course, the committee vice chair, she brought up the topic of alleged witness tampering. she said that two witnesses thought that people connected to former president donald trump may have been trying to intimidate them, and cnn later reported that one of those witnesses who felt intimidated was cassidy hutchinson. so, norm, legally speaking, how much closer do you think this moves the needle to evidence of possible witness tampering? >> kristin, thank you for having me back. i do think it moves us in the direction of possible witness tampering. i think there is en...

Capitol. that appears to be holding up, john. >> katelyn polantz, thank you very much for that. raises all kinds of questions. let's bring in cnn's senior law enforcement analyst and former deputy director of the fbi andrew mccabe to answer some of those questions here. talk to us about witness tampering, first off, because it's really tricky to prove. so what can the committee do here as they're raising this issue? >> yeah, so, brianna, it's an interesting -- it's an interesting issue because it's a crime that is very hard to prove and prosecute, but not that hard to investigate. so on the ...