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You have a good lawyer right over here. maybe, we can ask him. but i think this is another important thing that the committee is investigating. intent and obstruction. >> norm, what jumped out to you? >> well, i -- i do think that the focus is on, um, 18 usc 1512, anderson. i agree with gloria, and that is obstruction of congress. look. it's already been charged against the lower-level insurrectionists. why shouldn't the insurrectionist in chief -- former-president donald trump -- get a very, very hard look at whether he intentionally obstructed congress in whipping the crowd into a frenzy on ...

His intent for the second time he was impeached, his intent to obstruct -- to cause an insurrection on capitol hill. he actually wanted them to do this, and the fact that he is now praising them for having done this shows his intent was pretty much -- his state of mind was pretty much as stephanie grisham has described it, he was glad they did it. and that, in turn, goes to the potential criminal investigation that he was -- he's been apparently very much afraid of, given the speech he just gave. this goes to, again, his intent to obstruct, and i'm using words in title 18 section 1512c of the ...

Necessarily come all that much, and again, these are not the most trustworthy of narrators. >> is there anything criminal about what he's talking about if he, in fact, did do this? >> yeah, so there is potential for anything up to. there's certainly a conspiracy to impede an official proceeding, that's congress 1512 all the way up to possible insurrection charges. but, again, look, the first thing this says is this is one reason we really need congressional investigations and sworn testimony rather than just, you know, gossip on the street, and i'm sure if he shows up and is asked to testify, ...

That representative cheney has artie referenced which is 1512 statute that says that if you are objecting to obstructing official proceeding, that is a federal felony and has been used successfully against some of the january 6th insurrectionist and several trump appointed judges have already appointed or approved the use of these charges for the january 6 attack. for example, the conversation happening with the congressman, if the president sat on his hands watching tv instead of as mccaskill said in not doing anything because he had a certain intent which was to obstruct the official count o...

Is one that representative already referenced. which is the 1512 statute. which says that if you are attempting to obstruct an official proceeding, that's a federal felony. it's already been used successfully against some of the january 6 insectionists. and several trump appointed judges have approved the use of the charges for the january 6 attack. so for example, the conversation having with a congressman, if the president just kind of sat on his hands watching tv, and not doing anything, because he had a certain intent which was to obstruct the official count on january 6. absolutely that's...