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Not to show up on february 7th. the president has been going after him on twitter and rudy giuliani as well. here is tare the tweets. we talked about whether this would amount to witness tampering. if we look at the u.s. code, 1512, whoever knowing uses intimidation threatens or corruptly persuades another person or attempts to do so or engages in misleading conduct toward another person with intent to -- influence, delay or prevent the testimony of any person in a official proceeding. >> again, i am not a lawyer but it sounds like that's what the president is doing. they may try to allege the

To america" now out in paperback. you've been a prosecutor and feel there's a vital need for public hearings. what does the news today mean? >> this is terrible because we were just having a conversation in which there was question of possibly having private testimony instead of a public hearing. if that happens, then president trump has achieved his goal of suppressing information that the public should have. the public needs to see and hear this. it helped dramatically in watergate to have public support based on their knowledge of what the witnesses were saying and who was credible. and to ...

President of the united states with a vast twitter following. it's not only his formal position. it is his inciting potential danger to michael cohen's father-in-law and to his wife. >> does what the president is s saying, what rudy giuliani is saying, from your perspective -- you are a former attorney general. does it amount to witness intimidation? >> as a federal prosecutor, i have actually done cases involving organized crime. some of them potentially involving these kinds of threats. clearly, there's a violation here of 18 united states code 1512 which protects against intimidation of wit...

Or trump org but some alleging in your party there are crimes being committed in the white house. >> there are some statutes. arguably there are two, 1512b which would reach to felony level. then as a lesser obstruction charge that the be 1505 that would probably -- not rise to the level. it really depends on how we measure the facts. some of cohen's testimony might be helpful in that regard. so arguably yes but we're not certain yet. >> francesca, is there anything out of the white house other than the basic attacks on cohen and the impugning of him trying to point out i mentioned in my lead....

I don't know how seriously, whether it was being considered or how seriously it was being considered. as a shorthand way in the memo of referring to what i was speculating might be the theory, i referred to it as mueller's theory rather they say this is -- >> do you know what mueller's interpretation of 1512 is? >> no i don't know. just one point, senator, i think -- you said in your opening statement i said he was grossly irresponsible. i said if something happens it would be grossly irresponsible. i was not calling mueller grossly irresponsible. >> thank you. i appreciate that. has anyone gi...