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Meeting at trump tower when some russians had approached him and claimed to have had some sort of dirt on hillary clinton. they didn't, and that's not what the meeting was about. but it's very similar here. >> tucker: interesting. we still have the congressman. would you like to interject? >> my articles of impeachment have always been about obstruction of justice.nt it's not the crime. it's the cover-up. we have three different instances of violation of section 1512.'s whether trump colluded or didn't collude, he tried to stop the investigation. >> tucker: just tell me you are a little embarr...

You can't defend it, and you want to talk about nonsense. you want to talk about why hillary clinton is bad instead of why donald trump should be impeached.ti >> tucker: you filed articles of impeachment the day after that story about trump's son broke. >> that wasn't me. >> tucker: oh, that was just an accident.t. >> i circulated those articles of impeachment a month before the date you identified. >> tucker: let me ask you a really simple question. trump's connections to russia, you have consistently argued, are a big deal. it's not a fake story -- >> no, i have consistently argued that his ...

>> tucker: i'm talking, hold on. you don't know if he had an effect on the election. >> how can you affect an election by a document that is released three months after the election? >> tucker: the document was run -- the information went to the hillary clinton campaign. >> information that was of absolutely no use. >> tucker: i am a little bit surprised that you have spent the last year telling us that trump has colluded in some way with the russian government and that he has committed, in effect, treason, which is basically what -- >> i don't accuse him of treason. h i accuse him of obstruct...

The get-go, from the minute he finds out that this meeting with the russians has taken place, he's orchestrating the press on that and what he's orchestrating is a statement that's a modified limited hangout. it's very misleading. it tries to avoid making this seem very serious and try to minimize what's happening. to me, i think there's two things. either he thinks this is just a pr issue and that's not very smart because there is a criminal investigation going on or he understands it's a criminal investigation and he's trying to throw the investigators off track. >> there is where it becomes...

With nick akerman, a former assistant watergate prosecutor and former u.s. attorney there in the southern district, as well as e.j. dionne, an opinion writer for "the washington post." nick, a lot of time spent on the tapes. some people feel time wasted. but as you go through the record that i just did there, it would seem this did lead to some things, and they might be good for the investigation. >> well, what he's done is he's just continued his obstruction of justice. i mean what he has done with that tape in basically threatening comey as a witness amounted to nothing less than witness tam...