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On u you had george w. bush spend money like it was going out of style. he took 155 billion dollar surplus and turned it into a trillion dollar deficit and doubled the national debt. he was a big government republican. on foreign policy, he was a big internationalist, but he was also sort of a unilateralist in that everybody had to follow his view and richard pearl's view. >> a big spreader of american yi ideals around the world and a lot of republicans quite agreed with. >> i just -- i think -- basically what i'm saying i think they will cave to trump. i think we are going to have a 30 trilli...

And explosion of defense spending, and tax cuts, and a deficit that went from, you know -- actually we had a surplus, $155 billion surplus to a massive deficit. i see absolutely no sign that small government conservatives like you or me are going to be happy forward eight years from now with what the republican party did with our budget. >> let's see. he's full of surprises, and i think when you see a progressivism full of political correctness and has no limits on governments and then trump's populism that has limits on government, and people might learn a lesson on the rule of law and there'...

Plan. >> we asked congress about the same time when we left and george w. bush came in, there was $155 billion surplus. eight years laternder republican rule, there was a trillion dollar deficit. the national debt doubled from $5.6 trillion to $11.5 trillion. are we going to see the same thing happen again? or will paul ryan and the republican leadership make sure that we actually pay as we go? >> you know, if they don't, joe, i think they're going to be out on their ear in a couple years. people don't have any tolerance for this. i think on both sides of the aisle, people expect washington to...

Taxes. >> you get back to people's fears about a trump presidency. we don't know. what we will know is when policy begins to be worked out. that is the difference between personali personalities, president-elect trump speaking and the actual policy. there will be a collision course with the republican congress. >> something's got to give. >> i don't think after what the republicans went through with george w. bush where bush comes in, $155 billion surplus. he leaves. there is a trillion dollar deficit. he comes in. there is a $5 trillion national debt. he leaves there is an $11 trillion nation...

>> again, you get back to, you know, people fears -- >> oh wait. i'm sorry. and you're going to cut taxes. >> you get back to people's fears about a trump presidency. we don't know. we will know when policy begins to be worked out. that's a difference between personalities that you see in tv. president-elect trump speaking last night and the actual policies that they're going to have to put together. there's going to be a collision course. >> something has to give. i don't think, john heilemann, after what republicans went through with george w. bush where bush comes in. there's $155 billion s...