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Bush pushing it and fannie and freddie bringing the whole system down and getting into these economy wars that made no sense to me at the time. so we said, with giev tot oppose this. >> right. so when bush came in, we had a $155 billion surplus. when he left, we had a deficit that was up to 5$500 billion. the national debt doubled. it's doubled again under barack obama. the question is -- i know that you have worked hard with your brother to elect republicans. are you does couraged and about to get out of politics again or are you out there -- >> no. i don't care what party. i just want somebo...

That can do something about it. >> reporter: and that something is cleaning the air, one state at a time. that's the idea behind president obama's clean power plan, to cut greenhouse gas emissions from the nation's power plants and fundamentally transform the way americans get their electricity. >> the dpa is setting the first ever nationwide standards to limit the endless dumping of carbon pollution from plants. >> reporter: 32% by 2030 compared to 2005 levels. fewer american children will suffer from asthma. tens of thousands of new jobs will be created in clean power technologies like solar...

The heart of the conservative base than the debate about 2003 and the war. is he going to be his brother on spending? when george w. bush became president, we had $155 billion surplus and when he left we had a trillion dollar deficit. the national debt doubled from $5.7 trillion to over $11 trillion. it's just continued. george w. bush was a classic big-government republican and it was miserable on spending. wouldn't veto a bill mika and jeb bush spoke out yesterday. he had to speak out on this issue and everything i've known about jeb bush as governor is that he is a small government republic...

Of their own citizen. any government would do that. >> reporter: the u.s. says it did not know about the ongoing negotiations for the south african's release. and it's not clear what impact it would have had, had they known. but it certainly would have been a tougher call for the president. brian ross, abc news, new york. five former employees of bernie madoff are being sentenced this week for their role in the ponzi scheme. they were ordered to forfeit $155 billion. still to be sentenced are madoff's former secretary, two computer programmers and an account manager. today in south africa,...

Damages, don't come into this program. >> general motors had a rev you of $155 billion in 2013. this is a company that has made and continues to make a lot of money. how did you determine how much money, how many millions they should have to pay out to these victims and their families? >> has nothing to do with general motors wherewithal. general motors ability to pay as never been a part of the program. >> a lot of people will look and say, is it enough? >> that's human nature. i guarantee you as sure as anything, based on experience, there will be many, many claimants who will say, but is it...