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Joining our discussion now david frum, senior editor for the atlantic. and david, the -- there's so much that the giuliani and some republican senators today tried to extract from the idea that there were some members of the fbi who thought donald trump was a very bad presidential candidate. so bad that they didn't want him to be president. like, of course, all of those republican senators at that hearing today. >> i worked on rudy giuliani's 2007/2008 presidential campaign, i think he was a great mayor of new york but time catches up with all of us, i suppose. i think what happened, i believe...

Considered yet. she would i think be asked about, you know supporting folks like dr. phil and dr. oz. suddenly they become, in the same way you go through everybody who is associated with donald trump and everything they have said. suddenly anyone who has had a book on oprah's book club list, they get vetted at a higher level of scrutiny. i think it would be interesting. i thought her speech was very inspiring and i thought it struck the right tone. the idea of the golden globes sounding like a political rally makes sense in a moment when hollywood is facing a crisis where they for so long hav...

Insurance and the republicans are going to have to answer for that. >> the congressional budget office says about 13 million people who have health insurance would lose their health insurance over the next ten years. maybe 4 million over the next year or two. on a separate but very sensitive issue, why do you think president trump is attacking the consumer financial protection bureau right now? >> because he wants to give a gift to financial institutions and his friends in this country. i mean, there is no other reason to explain why you would try to gut an agency that -- whose sole purpose is...

And in many ways an unpolitician. you and i we've seen so many politicians and it's often a curage free zone and john mccain exhibited that curage maybe more than the six years in vietnam in politics. in 2007/2008 when he was seeking the republican nomination for president and every republican primary voter wanted a tougher stance on guantanamo bay and torture and to have john mccain stick up on behalf of those prisoners was curage. er. >> he worked for me in the late '70s in the carter administration and he also -- i was on the bus with him up and in new hampshire.

$100 in your pocket and end up with a house like this? >> it's an american dream. when i come to this country i live in the san francisco, a very very tough area. and i made up my mind i have to work hard and then my career build up. i work 18 hours a day. >> 18 hours a day? >> yeah. at nighttime people started calling me right. >> and now i'm understanding that some chinese people who have money are creating now communities in places like this right? >> yeah. there's a lot of successful chinese overseas. they started moving to the bay area because the schools better. >> and it's not just the ...