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United states. not unlike a war. world war ii, world war i or others. so you should use whatever means necessary to prevent a catastrophe like that from pyre algorithm out of control. >> bill: and you should, you have to know when to stop one could argue. >> i agree with that. i think the problem with the argument austan is making if you go throughout american history when we have a crisis like the civil war, financial crisis you spend and borrow money. austan, once the crisis is over we don't massively spend money, we start paying down the debt. this is the first president who raised taxes wh...

Campaign. good evening to both of you gentleman. i'm going to start with you. republicans are scrambling to get enough votes to pass obamacare. 22 house republicans against it. that means if there's one more no, it's over. and not because they haven't voted yet but one more no it's over. how bad does it look for the president they can't get health care through again? >> i was thinking they went through this with obama. you remember to get obamacare passed, you had to twist arms, get to that 218th vote you needed in the house and the number to get over the senate -- i forget whether it was 60 o...

Phone, and he said what would it take? and i said a serious discussion about entitlements, further cuts, and i'll only be your last vote because there had only been two -- in the house as you know, a tie vote goes down. >> sure. >> so i said i'd only be your 218th vote and there had been two votes i knew like this in history. one for the impeachment of andrew johnson and the other one for the draft. >> so -- >> and i said -- and they needed me. but i represented the most -- >> the president needed you, correct? >> correct. >> and the president right now needs democrats to stand up the way you ...

Take? and i said a serious discussion about entitlements, further cuts, and i'll only be your last vote because there had only been two -- in the house as you know, a tie vote goes down. >> sure. >> so i said i'd only be your 218th vote and there had been two votes i knew like this in history. one for the impeachment of andrew johnson and the other one for the draft. >> so -- >> and i said -- and they needed me. but i represented the most -- >> the president needed you, correct? >> correct. >> and the president right now needs democrats to stand up the way you did no matter what the ramificati...