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As well. >> what happens over the ten years is, this is the full amount and the number of people yes, go down. what's really going on here is a swap for the republicans in the bill. they are expanding middle class benefits at the expense of particularly middle and low income people on health care. >> talk about the middle class tax brackets in the senate bill right now. walk us through that. >> so this is part of what they do with that money. they reduce rates from 22.5% to 22%. from 25% to 24%. from 32.5% to 32%. also expanding the child tax credit up to $2,000 per child. what the goal is of ...

That's where they job creation comes from. more small businesses growing and more jobs, it brings everybody's wages up. that's the entire purpose of all of this. >> bret: fight could boil down the question. the difference between the house and senate, there's a lot of people sayinwhich hor is getting to the finish line? >> representative ryan: i did want to get too complicated but both bills are designed to bring the top rate on small businesses down to 25%. small businesses pay a rate of 40% today. overseas, where i come from, that means lake superior. in wisconsin, we compete against canada ...

Something else. >> the effective rate is still above the average of the industrialized country. you see the average is 22.5%, and the effective rate is in the mid to high 20s. >> it's not the worst in the world as we keep hearing from your side of the aisle. >> is it in terms of the statutory rate -- >> but they don't wpay it. >> you have to add the average, and it's about 39%. yeah, most companies don't pay it and some do. >> but some pay nothing. that's why i am saying -- >> that will change under this proposal, in other words, everybody will pay some tax which is another difference. this is...

You're talking about. when we lower tax rates, that helps economic growth and especially in the international area, where businesses are taxed on average of 22.5% and we are taxing american businesses, big and small, between 35% and 40%? >> they pay lower than that efec efectively. >> i was just with u.p.s. bir big, huge company. they compete against dhl, 24%. i was talking to harley-davidson. a big milwaukee company. their effective tax rate is in the mid-30s. they are competing against companies taxed at like 20%. so we are putting our forms at a competitive disadvantage. when you take looph...

40% in america and the rest of the world averages 22.5%. in this global economy, what that means is it tells companies in america, don't make things in america. don't be an american company. move overseas. the thunderstorm stat in this room is made by johnson controls, i bet. that used to be the biggest business in wisconsin, headquartered in milwaukee. it is now headquartered in dublin, island. it is at 12%. >> if we tackle aaron rodgers, pardon the pun, he is making money by doing funny ads. that is not coming from the green bay packers. that is subchapter s. >> i don't know what his is. the...