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And now they're kind of peeling the layers of the onion here and spending ten hours with sondland, you're going to find out with whom he spoke and every conversation about ukraine and how they were trying to kind of work around rudy giuliani. and i think -- you know, the thing about rudy giuliani, we have to remember, he was being paid by the ukrainians and also utesing the president, in a way, to get his business done and maybe the president will understand at some point that he was being used. >> well, we call that a two fer, i believe. >> yeah. >> it's working both sides maybe. >> i think s...

Clarence thomas is, in effect, the model for all of these judges. this is the last view of how a judge behaved or ruled. this is -- and if you look at thomas' opinions on abortion, on affirmative action, on the second amendment, on gay rights, these are the positions that will be ascendant at the supreme court and all i care about is that we should have a debate about what's the going on here, not pretend that something else is happening. 2k5i6d? >> jeffrey, isn't it fair to say, there's nothing wrong with what you're saying, i just don't think it includes everything, which is the possibility ...

Very unsavory things have done things on behalf of putin and mueller's probe not whether someone might see it as a values deficitor whether they lied in a federal investigation, or they committed quid pro quo for government actions. how do you take 2k5i6d's categories and apply it to what mueller's doing? >> mueller can only prosecute people for committing federal crimes. he has to have evidence for prosecuting those crimes. he won't be prosecuting people for having bad character, he won't be going on a witch hunt. it's a very specified process, the interesting thing ari, is you know that fede...

10,000, i don't even know how to do the math, what is that 29 million, i don't know what it is. that's appalling, so we still need relief there, there's still people, perhaps maybe 100,000 or more without electricity, for five months and more without watching ari melber on msnbc. >> of course there's real problems out there and we have covered the puerto rico story a bit. but i appreciate you bringing it up. this is america, this is a hurricane problem, this is a natural disaster, it's not anyone's fault obviously, it's major. we also got to talk music, obvio obviously, stretch. do you have an...

Goes looking who hip-hop, a young kid, 12, 13, they think they like hip-hop and they go on ii in i-tunes to the hip-hop and it's bubble gum. b >> but what if you say real rap no rumble. so it's rumble rap? >> what's your fall back in the music business? >> i worked '89 to '93 at def jam, and even back then, people were trying to eradicate vinyl, anyone who loves music knows that the sound waves are really wide, you get that low end, whereas digital, it gets compressed so we have seen an era where people have to purchase their entire