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Mentioned pence, nikki haley, there are strong republican voices who walk in that mainstream. but if you ask one of the isolationists say ing what woul you do, they don't have a good answer for the and then what question. we abandon ukraine, then what do you do? they don't have a good answer for that. >> quick final question, if if i might. is the key here for president biden to sell the american people on this being or involving a vital u.s. interest? >> yes, he has to remind the american people why it matters. he has to although reassure the american people that there is a strategy that will...

Were very raw and real. and they were move ing. think the jurors were moved by the testimony. but then the next day in cross-examination, you have to give credit where credit is due. they clearly painted alex as a liar who can just look you in the face and lie to you. >> did they counsel him not to take the stand? >> early on asked in the hallway. is your client going to take the stand. he said it's an audible. i'll know when i get to the live scrimmage. but i'm the told by many people they did counsel him originally not to take the stand. but as the case progressed over weeks and weeks and we...

Now to new cnn report ing. sources say prosecutors still debating the number of indictments they will seek in the investigation of former president trump's attempt to overturn while still president in the 2020 election. this development comes after that grand jury that was charged with investigating spoke out accountly for the first time giving us new clues on just how many indictments the panel recommended. >> it's not a short list. >> would you characterize it as 20ish people? >> i can't say. >> more than a dozen, i think i heard you say in another interview? >> i believe so. >> lly honig jo...

Essentially telling marjorie taylor greene not helpful. >> the interesting thing about you just said that the congressman perhaps said something she may havnot have thought through all the way, in the first term, when she would say whacky things, you could dismiss many of her statements as whacky things. but now that we are in the place that we are with the house republican caucus, she is one of the people that helped kevin mccarthy get his job. she is now closer to power. she's now an ally of house s speaker.com kp. it just becomes difficult to just dismiss some of things she's say ing as wha...

Believes achieved its objective that the west will not blink. >> reporter: yeah, this is a trip that almost certainly will be defined by the dramatic symbolism, rallying cry to the western coalition over the course of the 48 hours leading into today. but as the president lifted off just moments ago, the meeting behind closed doors, more than an hour with the nine countries that make up the flank of the nato alliance in the split screen we have seen from putin and biden. there's a long pathway to go with no clear outcome or end game in terms of how things are going to play out. that underscores...