asylum. but that's very different than what we're seeing today from the rio grande, the mediterranean, we are seeing people fleeing for economic reasons, because of climate change, because of fear of crime and wanting a better life for their families. and that's, frankly, not what asylum law was set up to cover. >> are they nevertheless claiming asylum, and are they being aided in doing so by those who are providing them passage? >> oh, i mean, they don't even have to wait for the people providing them passage. you can go to the internet right now and look up the questions that border patrol is going to ask you when you show up at the border. the internet provides answers, the kinds of answers that will force that border patrol agent to grant you temporary parole until your asylum case can be heard by a court. certainly the people who were transporting the migrants, they're also assisting in this