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Then causes world war iii. but admiral stavridis earlier in our show talked about supporting ukraine so that ukraine could perhaps create their own no-fly zone. is the west, is nato, are supportive countries capable of making ukraine capable of having its own no-fly zone? would that work? >> so, mika, i think that is a great question that the admiral brought up. if we sit back and we think about what john beechem talks to us a lot, history, right? so we should go back and look at operation southern watch. operation southern watch was the no-fly zone south of the 32nd parallel in iraq from 1992...

But in operation southern watch at the 32nd parallel, if an iraqi airplane came and crossed the 32nd parallel we were able to engage that airplane. so the rules of engagement, and we could help with all of that, what would be those rules of engagement and what would the ukrainian air power go and engage on. the next part is, hey, how long is this going to be? is it going to be a 24-hour-a-day operation as we did in operation southern watch? the other part is resources, not just money but obviously fighters, tankers to refuel if we need to, if they have that, some level of command and control. ...