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Three, for 3/4 of a century, the world has avoided the use of nuclear weapons. the success of this summit depends entirely, i think, on whether we can prolong that avoidance and make the world safer. four, kim jong-un knows that the only reason trump is talking to you or him that he has nuclear weapons. he saw what happened in iraq and libya when they gave their nuclear weapons. one leader was hanged and the other leader was beaten to death. kim has a clear focus. keep our weapons. he is like the nra that way. will he list his nuclear weapons and say where they are? that's a great question. wi...

>> donald trump's view of the world as one unending deal means that he is always ready to walk away from the table, walk back to the table, call off a negotiation, put it back on again. >> is a deal even possible if north korea won't give up its nuclear program? >> kim jong-un made a decision to prioritize the nation's resources explicitly towards the rapid development of nuclear weapons. >> having a missile program and having nuclear weapons is his way of ensuring that he and his regime survive. north korea sees itself under siege with american troops on its border on the 38th parallel. it se...

>> fascinating that he doesn't seem to prepare. he seems confident going into this. he's gone from nuclear buttons to praising kim jong-un and getting a sit down, granting a sit down that no other president has been willing to grant. >> i always compare him -- it's like he's playing a game of hearts. he always shoots the moon. he always does the opposite of what the game is about. this meeting in itself is a big gamble. yet, i think he's winning so far. i think the fact it's better to jaw jaw than war war. a meeting is always better than a bombing raid. i think kim jong-un is signaling to the ...

Parallel for two years. so his idea of a lickety-split, you know, apprentice-type reality hour, it doesn't squ with the time thinking they have over the time reference they make over in north korea. they could be tricking him into that chair and letting him sit there for months and years even. so that's what i'm afraid of, that we will be humiliated as a country and nothing will get done. >> because you mentioned "the apprentice," i'm duty-bound to next ask you about pardons. how the notion of pardons has changed from presidents and presidencies past. we've noted many times over the past 24 ho...

On a week with so much news, we are thrilled to welcome our friend and colleague chris matthews to the broadcast. he is of course the host of "hardball," and he is more importantly the author of "bobby kennedy, a raging spirit." germane to tonight's conversation because chris is also hosting an msnbc headliners documentary special this sunday night on bobby kennedy airing at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. chris, thank you for joining us tonight. and before we get to that, i'd like to start off on current events. >> sure. >> beginning with north korea. what do you think is going on? >> well, i think t...