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Lobbyists to protect their business. since 1998, this is stunning, they spent $5.36 billion on lobbying. by comparison, the defense industry and oil and gas industries each paid their lobbyists about a quarter of that. and in your piece you maintain that that's one of the reasons why this pricing has been protected. >> that's why obama care is the way it is, and that's why it doesn't address the people -- the interests that are making all this money. i mean, you know, it's a lot of reporting, it's a long article, but by following the money in each bill, it's a very simple and obvious result. y...

Shell game in the american health care system is because there are so many people who are uninsured in our country, and hospitals are constantly trying to shift around costs, and we don't have a system by which it's transparent what they're charging. there are some steps in the affordable care act to have transparency so you have those steps. but that's a problem with the fact that we have so many people uninsured, and when we get, you know, more people insured in the system, there won't be this constant shell game, and there won't be an excuse for this constant shell game. >> steven, one of t...

Shell game in the american health care system is because there are so many people who are uninsured in our country, and hospitals are constantly trying to shift around costs, and we don't have a system by which it's transparent what they're charging. there are some steps in the affordable care act to have transparency so you have those steps. but that's a problem with the fact that we have so many people uninsured and when we get, you know, more people insured in the system, there won't be this constant shell game and there won't be an excuse for this constant shell game. >> steven, one of the...