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Standard retainer fee and used it unbeknownst to the president to make this payoff to stormy daniels? >> no. there would have cob -- you can pay someone a monthly fee to be an attorney, that's essentially a salary. that's their work for you. now if you have an agreement that you make whatever deals you want and pay off these people with this money, that's not really a retainer for his work, that's actually just a slush fund to pay off these women or whoever it is. so that argument is not going to hold up very well. >> so joe has a new piece for the "washington post" out this morning about rudy...

Not been engaged in politics to be in politics. i see individuals from, you know, senators like pat spearman in vegas that's running for congress to citizens like kim hill knot who is running for congress. you have all types of individuals who normally had not been engage tods people engaged who are not only running for office, they are engaging in talking to their elected official. young people are engaged. people i had not heard from are asking to volunteer and be involved. it's also showing that people are doing it by going to vote. i believe the 45th president has encouraged people to see ...

That happened in connor lamb. democrats are voting at higher levels than republicans. >> i remember back to when public service workers were staging protests in the wisconsin state house. back then that was a big deal. we covered it for days and days. here the washington post family foundation poll indicated that 40% of adults polled had contacted their elected officials this the last two years. there's a sense of citizen responsibility. a sense of movement amongst most people who are not the host active but the idea they will call or let their elected officials know what they think. that alon...

Be involved edinvolved. now it's also showing that people are doing it by going to vote. if we can keep that momentum, i really believe the 45th president has truly encouraged people to be engaged, to be the change that they want to see. >> we talk about being the change you want to see, we talk about michelle obama's admonition that people should get involved, neera, do you see the obama's getting more involved? >> i hope so. i think they are uniquely inspiring not just to democrats but to the whole country. and i think the contrast between the demeanor and adulthood i think michelle obama wo...

Elected officials in the last two years, there's a sense of citizen responsibility here, a sense of movement among people who are not the most active, but the idea that they'll call or e-mail or let their elected officials know what they think. that alone is a development for america, where our voter turnouts are not all that great. >> that's very true. if nothing else, you can say that the 45th president has inspired individuals who normally have not been engaged in politics to be in politics. and i even see individuals from senators like pat speer man in vegas, that is running for congress t...