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Giuliani. he's out there freelancing and talking to the president directly and not talking to them and my colleague ashley parker was testing with the west wing aide yesterday who sent a bunch of emojis including a basket of popcorn in a text message to describe what this was like. they're sitting back like we are watching it unfold. >> one thing about rudy. i've been saying since his speech at the republican convention that there is something off about rudy giuliani. this is not the giuliani we know. it just isn't. >> if you show tape of that -- >> trump told that to me and joe in private whe...

>> how despicable giuliani is, comparing the fbi to nazi stormtroopers. >> to that point, thank you, donny. joe has a new piece in the "washington post" that questions why rudy giuliani would contaminate himself so terribly. it's entitled "rudy giuliani goes from america's mayor, to trump's chump." and he writes in part this -- why america's mayor would now allow himself to become trump's chump is beyond me. with many west wing insiders openly questioning whether the are 45th president will even finish his term, such short-sightedness makes no sense, even when viewed in the most cynical of lig...

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Standard retainer fee and used it unbeknownst to the president to make this payoff to stormy daniels? >> no. there would have cob -- you can pay someone a monthly fee to be an attorney, that's essentially a salary. that's their work for you. now if you have an agreement that you make whatever deals you want and pay off these people with this money, that's not really a retainer for his work, that's actually just a slush fund to pay off these women or whoever it is. so that argument is not going to hold up very well. >> so joe has a new piece for the "washington post" out this morning about rudy...

Churchill and not giuliani was on guard when adolf hitler's actual stormtroopers sought to destroy england an lay waste to the rest of western civilization. because unlike giuliani, winston churchill never blinked. this guy, susan del pursio, has gone beyond blimpging, he's totally bought in. and to everybody's question, but jonathan turley, what's the end game here? the end game is not good for anybody who can see clearly. >> and what's so interesting is that at the beginning of this piece, joe outlines what a great job rudy giuliani did turning around the city. that's the administration i wa...