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White house got, probably not these kind of pages. i know what the justin department got weren't. this they got some -- they got 21.1 million pages of information back in 2010 lois lerner gave them to the fbi. >> what in the world documents could the white house ask for from the irs that would be legitimate? >> remember, this is about an investigation into? just in general. they call' and say i like congressman jim jordan's tax returns. they can't do that right? >> they certainly can't do that. there is no way they can do that. >> what are the documents that we at least think they don't even k...

Find it. >> you said it is was public information but you had to go to lois lerner and get it in a form? you had it for four years? >> the disk were in the possession of for four years. >> 21 disks? >> yes. >> and it had 6103 right? >> we learned it -- >> i didn't ask you learned. >> we learned it contained. >> this is a big deal. the justice department asked for information you said is publically available but you go to lois lerner to get it. it is 21 disks. and it contains private donor information. all of those are facts. >> we will have more on this

Given some over 20,000 of them have been retrieved through other ways people she sent them to, et cetera. did lois lerner crash her own computer? >> well, we'll probably never know that. the drive is physically gone. what we do know from the discovery we have gotten from e-mails that we've gotten from multiple sources is she broke some regulations. she broke some laws. she sent trying to get prosecution sent 1.1 million tax records over to the department of justice including inappropriate or actually illegal 6103 disclosures on behalf of conservative groups. >> in the end, i thought you had sa...

Other ways people she sent them to, et cetera. did lois lerner crash her own computer? >> well, we'll probably never know that. the drive is physically gone. what we do know from the discovery we have gotten from e-mails that we've gotten from multiple sources is she broke some regulations. she broke some laws. she sent trying to get prosecution sent 1.1 million tax records over to the department of justice including inappropriate or actually illegal 6103 disclosures on behalf of conservative groups. >> in the end, i thought you had said listen, she clearly did this so that we couldn't have th...

Requirement is not the ideal person, not even an appropriate person to investigate these crimes, but megyn, you now know neither is eric holder. this case calls for a true special independent prosecutor who has the ability to issue warrants, to seize materials, to safeguard dock oumts and other information before it goes away and get to the truth. >> and it's not going to happen. >> it's not going to happen on this president's watch or eric holder's watch as far as we can tell, but little by little we're finding information. we're finding documents, and each time we find them they come up and ...