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Other explanation for it. because he would say, you know, american people, the reason jared kushner needs a security clearance is because he has all of this foreign policy experience. i value his advice -- but he doesn't have that resume. he is good at one thing. securing business financing contracts. that's probably what he's doing. >> he's good at securing business contracts, when on the other side, he can offer u.s. government leniency. >> that's very lucrative business. this is caused -- this is what grifters do. >> ran a business that was bankrupted over four times. 666 fifth avenue, the ...

Effort to obtain the president's tax returns? how are you preparing it, if the president and the white house put up a big legal fight against releasing them? >> and that's why we haven't done it yet, because we're trying to make sure we've crossed all the ts, dotted all the is. part of it is looking not just what's in the tax returns but what's not in the tax returns. what about 666 fifth avenue? additions to mar-a-lago and trump tower that should be treated as income but don't show up in the tax returns? everyone wants to follow the money, obviously. how has saudi arabian or russian money inf...

Pardon for them. there's no other reason. there's no other explanation beyond the two points for me. >> that sounds like mob loyalty, to be honest with you. at the end of the day, if donald trump pardons manafort, that doesn't have anything to do with the state of new york. the crimes were committed in the state of new york. some of the weird news stuff, the handing over of campaign data at the cigar bar inside of jared kushner's 666 fifth avenue. it sounds very mafia-like. your book, one of the reasons we wanted to have you on, your book is like a mob that surrounds donald trump. is that what...

You view this as established fact? >> oh, i do this this is established fact. >> paul manafort, i have a new book coldiming up and the chapt entitled "the agent." manafort is a russian aspect. he's been under contract for pro moscow in crew ukrainukrain. he was working for the russian oligarchs including promising and giving briefing for the trump campaign. the special counsel is focusing on a meeting he had at a cigar bar in jared kushner's 666 avenue in which he may have had a clandestine meeting where he

He was working for the russian oligarchs including promising and giving briefing for the trump campaign. the special counsel is focusing on a meeting he had at a cigar bar in jared kushner's 666 avenue in which he may have had a clandestine meeting where he may passed on possibly information from the trump campaign. this makes him an agent of a foreign power. i don't mean agent as in trade representatives. agent as in an intelligent asset who may have been unwillingly or manipulated as john said it earlier because he owes a debt