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Miles of border and i have always said building a wall from sea to shining sea doesn't make sense, but in places it does make sense, where there's urban to urban contact. we need technology. the only way to look at all 2,000 miles of border is to do that with technology. there's already a bill most democrats voted on. it's called the secure fence act. it was amended two years later. in that amended bill, all of the leadership, the democratic leadership have already voted on it. there's been much publicized on how senator obama at the time voted on this. there should be the frame work. there's ...

You served your country in that capacity. national security is obviously important to you. >> look, i have spent almost a decade as an under cover officer in the cia. i was the guy in the back allies collecting intelligence on threats on our homeland. i did this in dangerous places like pakistan, afghanistan, india chasing bad guys, terrorist, al qaeda, you name it. stopping nuclear weapons proliferations. this is what i did. we gotta remember, drug trafficking organization, the king pin human smugglers that are operating in mexico, they don't have to worry about a government shutdown. they're...

Under the $5.7 billion border security. he is adamant about it. they talk about it all the time. he is not going to let him do that because he believes this is a promise the president made on the campaign trail and if he lets that go then there is no hope for him to become the u.s. president in the next term. so that is not going to happen. >> but mark meadows is saying that. nothing is stopping the president from doing what the president wants. we have seen that time and again. >> the president can do whatever he wants. i'm just mentioning that his allies are telling him not to give up on thi...

Your colleagues just voted and passed the farm bill, $867 billion over the next ten years. it's a head scratcher that you would agree to $867 billion farm bill, and yet you can't find $5.7 billion for border security? >> well, we absolutely and need to find the funding for border security, no question about it. we actually saved money over the last number of years in the farm bill. and, again, if we can keep it from growing, find savings where we can and keep our economy growing, that's how you reduce the debt and deficit. maria: what's your view in terms of the impact of this shutdown on the ...

Your colleagues just voted and passed the farm bill, $867 billion over the next ten years. it's a head scratcher that you would agree to $867 billion farm bill, and yet you can't find $5.7 billion for border security? >> well, we absolutely and need to find the funding for border security, no question about it. we actually saved money over the last number of years in the farm bill. and, again, if we can keep it from growing, find savings where we can and keep our economy growing, that's how you reduce the debt and deficit. maria: what's your view in terms of the impact of this shutdown on the ...