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She performed well in the debate last night against people not up to the presidential level. and i think the big issue is still do you trust her. i think people are saying in polls they don't. and they don't think she is honest and they think it is just a whole variety of thinks she did over the years. the last eight years hasn't added to her trustworthiness. bernie sanders may not want to touch her e-mail but the country does. i think it she still has that flaw. and i think the critical thing here is the white house is feeding this. they don't want her or people in the white house don't want ...

Like joe wasn't even around. i thought it was fascinating. >> in a general select process by the general electorate. they are not going to buy that. it's a gift for republicans the fact that she is so joined at the hip to the failures of obama. the entire middle east is in turmoil. and this all happened under her watch. of course, what happened in benghazi because we didn't have adequate security. she is going have to answer for a lot beyond the select process the fact that she herself has joined herself so closely with obama. martha: i imagine biden's folk will be watching closely. i heard de...

Campaign than last time. she beat obamacare in the poplar vote throughout the primaries. >> martha: that is like using hand grenades, though. >> that is true. but that is how tough >> martha: we have to go. i am glad we got together. we will be right back.

Free college education, free education for people in the country, free hillary clinton, there answer to everything in the country is free. >> every time something gave something away, free health care or free education, the other one stood home saying we will give you this. i am saying ching ching the money is going out the door. >> >> martha: we have mark here to talk about this. mark rubio and donald trump talk about something that is going to be a significant part of the 2016 campaign. there is no coincidence these candidates last night on that stage in vegas made it clear they wanted to do...

Credit for that. we will make character an issue and her switching of positions a significant part of the race. >> martha: can republicans use this playbook on her, joe? >> i don't think so. ed is right. we don't know who the republican is. the republican is going to have their own set of problems. i am certain that benghazi, e-mails and all of that will be brought up by the republicans that run against her and questioning her trust and honesty. but right now i can guarantee you that the republicans are going to have a bunch of problems, too. those will be gotten into. it is going to be a very...