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Records and tax records, e cetera, so this is something that would happen to anyone. you want to talk about thi what happened -- this would happen to anyone -- >> as the bread and brother of a white collar crimes. >> i would say though, we keep coming, you end up coming back to this philosophical bedroc of what the law is what is the law? what is equal justice under law? this is the betting story of the entire trump era i think when you read this indictment, right, i think either - is defensive it is a bubble case. it is not a slam dunk, i don't think. they are going to have - >> it feel so mu...

They are going to have - >> it feel so much more soli to me today than it did before i saw this indictment, though. >> i mean, again on, the facts but on the - it is tricky >> you need to be able to prov that there were deliberately falsified business records falsified with intent fo corrupt purposes, and that the were falsified in order to conceal or facilitate whit collar crime today we got the recitation of the crime and the -- i didn't expect that much. i thought that with all th critique that this was such bubble issue in terms of the law that it would be muc fuzzier, it would be muc hard...

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