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>> anthony: you don't really have much voice in your own destiny. >> laura: exactly you can only go to war. that's the only thing you can do with rights. >> anthony: puerto rico owes 75 billion dollars right now -- >> laura: 72. >> anthony: i don't see statehood. i don't see congress or senate ever, ever taking on a 72 billion dollar debt load. >> laura: exactly. >> anthony: especially for a lot of people who speak spanish. what's the way out of this? >> hermes: oh my god. [ laughter ] >> anthony: what about tourism? >> hermes: it's an industry of services to service the wealthy. and at the sa...

They just want to win. win at any cost. this is going to cost middle class taxpayers. >> who is going to own that deficit issue after this. the senate tax bill as a trillion dollars to our -- >> as republicans we should. >> who owns that? >> it's almost $22 trillion now. i was waiting to see what the dynamic score was because that's what a lot of republicans said when it was the 1.4 trillion added. the score came out and said it was only $1 trillion. clearly that defined physical conservativism. no, it's not. we have a spending problem. let's look at the salt deduct n deduction. that's a $72 b...

Took. that was soon after he signed into law the affordable care act. are republicans just a little too gleeful about passing this major legislation, looking ahead to the 2018 midterms? could they be facing what democrats faced in 2010 after they passed obamacare? >> irregardless of this bill, we're facing a steady and uphill climb. we saw that evidence in the 2017 elections in virginia and new jersey but in terms of what maria's talking about and how we want to go out and gut entitlements we need to do entitlement reforms because as a mill mental, i'm not going to see social security if it's ...

There's malpractice all over the place here. >> and has been fired. >> correct. >> so they have $72 billion of debt they basically can't repay. it is an incredibly complicated situation. prepa had outdated electrical generational facilities. this is an opportunity to upgrade that substantially. solar power, other forms of energy creation. but look, unfortunately, it sometimes comes down to picture opportunities and president trump, the president of the united states, throwing paper towels into a crowd of people, what is it, a week after -- >> the people of puerto rico don't care whether or not...

>> laura: not anything -- >> anthony: you don't really have much voice in your own destiny. >> laura: exactly you can only go to war. that's the only thing you can do with rights. >> anthony: puerto rico owes 75 billion dollars right now -- >> laura: 72. >> anthony: i don't see statehood. i don't see congress or senate ever, ever taking on a 72 billion dollar debt load. >> laura: exactly. >> anthony: especially for a lot of people who speak spanish. what's the way out of this? >> hermes: oh my god. [ laughter ] >> anthony: what about tourism? >> hermes: it's an industry of services to service ...