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Liz's last point, and that is no one was looking for or expecting this to jump to the head of the line. but now it's firmly a political issue. as a matter of politics, we get that these are supreme court bound test cases. as a matter of politics, though, pick your poll. this issue is either 60/40 underwater for their side. it is either 80/20. how are they going to run under the republican banner on an issue like this if it permeates down through the tickets to statewide elections. >> right. so i think we could see a shift in the way republicans are talking about these bills because even though...

About. the children and the sunrise movement, started by young people are sleeping outside of mitch mcconnell's office. it's often why are we attacking democrats is what people say. but they're also -- >> the 80/20. 80% and 20% against. >> they don't post videos though. they haven't posted videos outside mcconnell's office. >> they have. they haven't gone viral. one of the things that is so important is a difference of urgency. for someone who is 7 years old. we just talked about the clinton impeachment like it was yesterday. 20 years from now, all coral reefs will be gone. i'm sorry i'm getti...

Officials, senators, key players in the democratic party. one of the things he's doing is giving them percentages of how likely it is he's going to run. 80/20 is the number i've heard a lot. you've lived through this. >> i sure did. deja vu. >> as one former biden staffer put it to me, he could be at 90% sure and still say no at the final decision. there are a lot of factors he's considering. >> what an important point. we know who's reaching out in the final days of deciding not to run. >> he had an announcement speech written, he didn't give it. >> jim,right. jim, i want to get you on this, ...

Brother's widow. howard schultz is considering running as an independent. joining me now rochelle richie. and nneka albaucher. welcome to both of you. the border wall fight, they are, let's put it up on the screen. for $20.20. you can send i think a fake foam brick to chuck or pelosi. this is an emergency national, why are they using this to send anticipa a prop gag to the speaker? >> i think they're underscoring a crisis in this country and promising to send a brick at a time will build the wall brick

There's been absolutely no progress. >> speaking of no progress, there was this today, a trump campaign fundraising e-mail sent out that says donald trump for president is offering red faux bricks to be sent to senate minority leader chuck schumer in exchange for a campaign contribution of $20.20. the bricks printed with facts about the need for border security. gabby, i guess this tells us this whole idea of the president looking at these polls because we've seen several polls now that show more americans blaming him than blaming the democrats for this shutdown, but the president's eye is mor...