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Terms, robert, and joan, i want you to follow this, walking around my old neighborhood in northeast philly where you see the old penny parker neighborhood, the nice way we put the parks back together when they did things like this in the big city and the bronze thing that said this is when it was built. in washington the beautiful bridges and parks in the city where public property, put together, the big lions heads and the big buffalo in the zoo and all the buildings, jefferson memorial, all built the way robert described it. our forests were all protected and groomed and basically preserved ...

He had them brought to him. going into the debate much of the focus was on herman cain leading our poll, including all the polls, in fact, and his 9-9-9 plan. in the beginning every other candidate called that plan a mistake. let's watch them gang up on him. >> reports are now out that 84% of americans would pay more taxes under his plan. >> herman, i love you, brother, but let me tell you something. you don't have to have a big analysis to figure that out. go to new hampshire where they don't have a sales tax and you're fixing to give them one. they are not interested in 9-9-9. >> the state t...

And the big buffalo in the zoo and all the buildings, jefferson memorial, all built the way robert described it. as wpa kinds of projects. our forests were all protected and groomed and basically preserved by ccc workers. it's real work that needs to be done for a better country. i think he's right. your thoughts? >> i think he's right, too. i'm with this plan, and, chris, you know, as you describe what you and i and secretary reich used to see growing up, a public space that was truly public and that made you proud to be an american, and it made you proud to be a part of a country that could ...

But i did say, well, let's see what you've got. what are your ideas? the primary ideas in their jobs plan was to roll back regulation that's keep our air and water clean, to go back to the system we had on wall street that caused this crisis in the first place, to end the health care reform that we pass that had will provide 30 million people health insurance and make sure that insurance companies can't take advantage of you. now, that is a plan but it's not a jobs plan. we can have an argument about health care or we can have an argument about environmental regulations. but we can't pretend t...

Care, you know, how romney's health care plan is obamacare on a national level. they did talk about debt, kind of, when talking about her mincain's 9-9-9 plan which even couldn't really explain, and when everyone hit him on what he was talking about, he said but you haven't read the entire plan or haven't seen the details. brother man, where's the details? >> apples and oranges. very confusing. >> apples, oranges, you know. >> aren't we at a stage where it is a popularity contest, where it is -- >> yeah. >> in a sense -- >> totally. >> we have to assume there's how many guys in the field out t...