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Night about how he doesn't want to let any syrian refugees in because 9,999 of them might be fine upstanding fellows but if the 10,000th is building a pipe bomb in his garage, that's a risk we can't afford to take. and that sounds tough, but it's not where the base is. the base has got kind of far more basic problems with mass immigration at a time when the american middle class is shrinking and social mobility is basically declining. and so he's not -- the terrorism thing is not going to get him off the immigration hook. he's got to go beyond that. >> let's talk about this battle between the ...

Before you do it. it's a difference between having experience and having doing this and no experience and doing it. you have no experience you paint with a broad brush and say ban all muslims. >> think about it this way. we allow 10,000 refuges to come into the u.s. and 9,999 of them are just poor souls seeking a better life and to void violence and war but one of them is an isis killer. you have to be 100 right. no matter how often you run them through the database you won't find many in many cases. we don't have a database. these killers in san bernardino, they weren't on any database. it's ...

What we know now. i don't have a lot of faith in that language. >> but you know what? they're not even saying that. that's one of the reasons they oppose it. they obviously said the fbi director said and others have said we can't possibly do that, we can't guarantee everybody. well, that's the problem. my point is that if you allow 10,000 people in and 9,999 are good people and one happens to be an isis killer, you have a problem. this is an issue in which you have to be 100% right. because just to be wrong on one person would be enough to potentially trigger an attack within the united states...

What we know now. i don't have a lot of faith in that language. >> but you know what? they're not even saying that. that's one of the reasons they oppose it. they obviously said the fbi director said and others have said we can't possibly do that, we can't guarantee everybody. well, that's the problem. my point is that if you allow 10,000 people in and 9,999 are good people and one happens to be an isis killer, you have a problem. this is an issue in which you have to be 100% right. because just to be wrong on one person would be enough to potentially trigger an attack within the united states...

Summit. but yesterday he was really up in arms. he said gop lawmakers, some of them, are helping isis recruit because of some of the heated rhetoric over the syrian refugee crisis. in fact, in the last hour, as you just pointed out, josh earnest was on "fox & friends" and he said refugees to get here have to go through a rigorous 18 to 24-month process. and he said that should be enough. >> we're talking about widows and orphans, and united states, since our earliest years, has sought to welcome those kinds of individuals into our country, and give them the opportunity to start a new life. the...